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Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM
I look at things a different way, forgetting the actual events that hurt the shadow.
Where would be be in the story now without her? If any of the others were missing things would be worse, but Rand aside she'd been the catalyst for everything, theres a vision Rand has where he is an old man fightin trolloc's in the two rivers, this is what would have happened without her.
Nynaeve ticks most boxes, but she never playes a major role in most of them, Moiraine and Lan where a two man army against the shadow for almost 20 years.
Moiraine and Lan were looking for Rand. How much Shadow-fighting were they really up to? In any event, there are all sorts of things that could have happened even if she never made it to the Two Rivers. Rand could still have hit all the important points without her intervention. A better question might have been, how would she have persuaded them to come with her if the Trollocs had never attacked? Nobody was all that sanguine about her waltzing off with the kids, and she had to persuade them to sneak away, and just about the whole village was in agreement that they had to be recovered from Moiraine's clutches. Without the aftermath of a Trolloc attack to clean up, they would not have been distracted enough to let her get away with the kids, and while the Finder coins might have made Mat & Perrin amenable, Rand was resistant and not all that thrilled with the idea of leaving. Mat would also have been a hard sell to go with an Aes Sedai.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1461 Views
Nyneave wins hands down - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 726 Views
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Immaterial. - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 566 Views
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None. *NM* - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 302 Views
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Re: That's highly subjective - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 578 Views
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Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 737 Views
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Re: I disagree - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 612 Views
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Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 833 Views
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He's got a point though... - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 686 Views
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