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Okay... Digital_Eon Send a noteboard - 08/10/2009 04:52:52 AM
Not only did he convince Mat that they were in danger, he also reminded him that they would probably never admit to needing help until it was too late (for anyone other than a ta'veren like Mat, anyway). Remember the way Egwene always deflected Rand's attempts to learn about Salidar? It made it very likely from his point of view that she may have been exaggerating about the number of Sisters gathered there. It's a reasonable conclusion, given the circumstances, and also likely influenced his view on the Rebels for several books, not to mention that Egwene never deigned to tell him that she had coerced Mat to go south with Elayne. Remember when he had himself smuggled into Caemlyn because he thought Mat and Elayne may have arrived already?


And for Rand, that's reasonable - while he didn't have all the information either, he had no way of obtaining it with Egwene telling him nothing. Mat, on the other hand, has reports from Vanin that tell him there are hundreds of Aes Sedai, and has seen the crowds for himself. He has that information. I doubt it influenced his perspective on Salidar, or else he wouldn't be a very good general.

As for Mat/Aviendha/Elayne; Mat needed less than a minute of Avi's body language to realize that she fancied Rand. Add the knife and her expressed need to see Elayne, and what else was he supposed to bloody think?


That he's making incorrect assumptions?

I was going to say that I could understand if he holds the common wetlander belief that Aiel are violent (which is still less forgivable in his case, since he's spent months with them), but then I re-read the scenes. He jumped to this conclusion BEFORE she even took out the knife! So all he had to go on was that Aviendha and Elayne like Rand, and that Aviendha wants to speak to Elayne. And the first thing he thinks is that he hopes there's no trouble there. Never mind that they have mutual friends, or that Aiel of all people are used to sharing a man (though I can't remember whether he'd know this by now - it's not as if it's a secret, and we've all seen examples of it...). There are plenty of ways in which he could have taken that, including completely neutral ones (e.g. Aviendha has a message from Egwene to Elayne), and there's no evidence that he really even considered the possibilities.

And as the cherry on top, he still thinks Aviendha wants to kill Elayne on their way to Ebou Dar. Days after they've met. After they've shared camp. Even when she refers to Elayne as her "near-sister" and is angry at Mat for disrepecting her, he doesn't think that his conclusion was wrong - he thinks that this is some women-hating-men thing! Hence my comments on Mat never realising he's wrong. He has plenty of evidence showing that Aviendha does not want to kill Elayne, and somehow still manages to believe otherwise. Incredible.
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