Disagree. Egwene is certainly not warm and fuzzy, but she's no worse than any of the others. You guys just make excuses for them. What difference that Tuon and Elayne are nobles?
Because they have legit obligations and duties, regarding which they have no choice. The best you can say about Egwene is that she has good intentions about fulfilling the duties that come with the power she seeks out for herself. Elayne & Tuon never had a choice about power, they were born clutching the proverbial wolf by the ears. Egwene went out of her way to find a wolf to grab. And she didn't seem to care who it bit as long as she personally kept her hold on it.
Because she was an advocate and defender of the group whose natural instincts took them out of the game in the first place. If you are going to beg the question of personal responsibility by invoking the Pattern, she is a scourge. God might have sent the Assyrians to punish the Chosen People, but that does not make the Assyrians good or excuse their conduct. It simply shows how supernatural forces can turn bad people and powers to good ends.
IDK who is making those gripes, because most of us dislike her betraying her friends for power. Egwene is never interested in learning that can't bring her power. Look at her interruptions of Moiraine at Chaendar, or in Mother Guenna's house, or the moment Elyas tells her she can't learn to talk with wolves. No sympathy for Perrin's learning potential, no interest in Nynaeve or Moiraine broadening their respective knowledge bases, and never mind what was REALLY going on, which was that both older women were taking the measure of their hostesses and establishing their bona fides, demonstrating that just because they were foreigners, did not make them ignorant suckers.
Her very first prospect of the behavior you cite, is when, after manuvering to be matched up to Rand, and thereby cutting him off from other, perhaps better-suited, spouses, she plans to ditch that for power, telling him that she wants to move somewhere else to get a job as Wisdom. There is NO justification there regarding knowledge or duty, only rank. Nynaeve has an amazing reputation at that point, there could not be any better person to learn from, as far as anyone knows. If Egwene stayed, all she would be able to do is help her community and tend the illnesses and ailments of her friends and neighbors, but not be able to take the rank and honors of being Wisdom, because it was a job for life, and Nynaeve was only 24. That was why Rand laughed at her being the apprentice, because he knew she would not put up with being a mere apprentice with no authority or power for her whole life. Rand knows Egwene better than anyone does, and he knows Egwene would never fight for her country if she didn't have a good chance to be promoted to general, that she would never study law without a clear path to the Supreme Court or enter public service without a very good opportunity to be elected President.
The difference between Nynaeve and Egwene, is that Nynaeve is driven by compassion and caring for others, while Egwene is driven by ambition and desire for power. If it wasn't an apocalyptic age, Nynaeve would have been perfectly happy advising farmers on the weather and tending injuries and delivering babies. Egwene, on the other hand, could not have been happy doing anything other than what she spent the books seeking. And she would not have done nearly as well, what with ta'veren associations forging opportunities that would never have otherwise existed for her. She might have become a better person, though, if she had been forced to learn patience and to serve with genuine humility, instead of as a stepping stone to the next level of power.
The difference between the two women is that Nynaeve refused to give a promise to the Wise Ones she could not keep, and they could not enforce, for which Egwene mocked her in front of outsiders, while Egwene gave the same promise and abandoned it the very second it became an inconvenience... and Nynaeve & Elayne STILL outstripped her accomplishments in Tel'Aran'Rhoid. Sure, Egwene could hold her clothing steady, and she thought to teleport when they were still relying on non-existent leg muscles, but she didn't catch Slayer either, and she certainly didn't save as many lives as her friends, or obtain the sorts of critical information they did. In Nynaeve's ignorant fumblings in the world of Dreams, she impressed a Hero. Egwene inspired Amys to pity her ignorance and offer to teach her.
What were Egwene's choices other than to go off and learn in response (note that I certainly never criticized that choice)? How about learning on her own, the way her friends did, through trial and error, and not terrorize friends to conceal her lies, and giggle about it afterwards.
That was a ta'veren thing, plainly drawing Elayne and Min to where Rand needed his people to be. The point is, Elayne and Min chose Rand, who the author of the books described as "the indispensible man". Egwene almost never does. Egwene makes those choices against or in spite of Rand.
It was a prophecy. It was not whimsy, she believed it was her duty and obligation to the Empire. She was following a Foretelling and the omens by which she and the rest of her people made their choices, and it had the beneficial effect of getting her clear of the disaster looming for the Imperial Family. She was out of the reach of Semirhage & Suroth, and incidentally brought a Great Captain to her side for the Last Battle. You can scoff at it as coincidence and the rest, but this was not an impulsive decision or unprecedented, she was following an established set of beliefs and decision-making mechanisms. What I could never understand, unless it was latent racism or something, was why so many reader gave her shit for her superstitions, as a character in a FANTASY NOVEL! In the real world, yeah, fortune telling and omens are stupid. Not in a book where much of what happens is in reaction to magic prophecies.
She had no duty, except those which were necessary to the exercise of the power she sought for herself, at times in place of people more competent to exercise said duties. Faile's indiscretion was at age 14, as opposed to once her society considered her a legal adult, and it was beforehand anyway. No reader gives Moiraine crap for stuff she did in Cairhien before coming to the Tower, or for her novice pranks, or for Rand and Mat and Perrin wandering off to climb the Sand Hills. I notice a LOT of Egwene defenders leap in with the excuse that she's "just" a teenage girl...but someone who is just a teenage girl has no business jogging the grown-ups' elbows, much less striving for power as a head of state. And maturity has a lot to do with socialization. Egwene was not raised in a society where adolescence is expected to continue to be indulged all the way through college, she has been raised to undertake increasing responsibilities in the collective economic efforts of the village, and with the expectation that her late teens will see her undertaking the beginning of an adult lifestyle. Every single action the readers see her take prior to the release of "Ravens" is after she has been formally competent to undertake adult responsibilities. Faile had still not reached that legal age by the time she met up with her parents again. And unlike Egwene, we see Faile grow up, from her deplorable games from Altara through Tear to the Two Rivers, to her stepping up when they hear about Perrin's family and she is suddenly made aware that the stakes are real. In the context in which Faile grew up, Trolloc raids were like the weather - it just happened and even if people died, you got used to it. Then when she found herself in a place where the tragedies she had grown up taking for granted should not have been happening, she wised up and embraced the role she had been groomed for all her life - wife of a leader, protecting their people from Trollocs and facilitating her husband's leadership. It flipped for Faile, because after her and Perrin's hiatus, she was the one who was right, while Perrin kept embarassing her and making things worse, while fumbling his duties out of ignorance. But to many readers, she was the nay-saying voice taking away her husband's fun, and he was the sympathetic character, so she was bad. Much as with Cadsuane and Rand. Both women were right, and brought valuable insights to the men in question, but were forced to use oblique means to get around the men's lack of receptiveness.
Then too, there is the Rolan issue. Elsewhere on this site, I have expressed my astonishment and disgust at the pulp romance genre, but there is no denying a certain mental flaw in readers which makes that sort of thing possible, and I can only guess that it is at work making creepy Rolan into this sympathetic hero, for whose death people unreasonably blame Faile. I certainly don't blame Egwene for Gawyn's death, even if her own dreams explicitly state that without her, he'd have lived a long life.
IDK what your point is here, citing a stupid woman doing a stupid thing.
We can't help criticizing Egwene, because she can't even do something good without this disastrous context.
That's nonsense. She was handpicked long before anyone had any clue about her knowledge of Dreamwalking. The very day Nynaeve and Elayne spill the beans about Tel'Aran'Rhiod, Siuan lets slip that Egwene is the secret candidate for Amyrlin. To the extent that the Dream helped Egwene's rise to power, it is because Nynaeve and Elayne had relationships with Siuan & Leane through their tutelage, and then incurring that debt by Healing them, which in turn meant that Egwene had a superbly experienced and plugged-in advisor all prepped for her when she arrived in Salidar, who knew that Nynaeve would not let her get away with manipulating Egwene, and that Elayne would see what she was up to. Nynaeve broke Siuan to the harness, and as Kadere notes about Isendre, in what is a running theme throughout the series, people rationalize their service when forced into it, to maintain their own illusions of self-determination. MAYBE the aforementioned skill with keeping clothing steady helped Egwene present a good front to the Hall in Tel'Aran'Rhiod, but it isn't given much play in the books. Aside from that tenuous thread tying Siuan to her faction, Dreamwalking had nothing to do with her political success.
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