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Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM

Con’s

1. It violates at least one (if not more) ancient law(s) that has probably been in place since the Trolloc Wars, if not since the founding of the White Tower.
2. Most sisters (not just the Hall) consider very old laws to “contain an aura of holiness,” and “consider changing such laws to be unthinkable.” [Robert Jordan, A Crown of Swords, page 219]
3. The act is excruciatingly painful and would probably be considered cruel and unusual by the standards of the White Tower.
4. The severed party might suffer irreparable psychological damage.
5. There is insufficient information regarding the restoration process.
6. Alternative methods exist to prevent prisoners from channeling.
7. Alternative (albeit not very humane) methods exist to foreswear oaths.
8. Alternative methods are favorable because they do not put an “innocent” party at risk. Anyone can be put to the question after they are found guilty and severed.


Cons:

1 and 2: Conceded.

3. Anyone that is a Darkfriend deserves all the pain they can get.

4. In severed women, we have not seen psychological damage. Sure, they start screaming, and weeping, but I would say that's akin to watching several family members die right before your eyes.

5. Not really. We know that some Asha'man have restored women to their full strength. We know Nynaeve healed Logain to his full strength. And we know that Nynaeve healed Siuan and Leane to a bit of their strengths. Therefore, logically, we can see that a man can restore a woman, and a woman can restore a man, to their respective potentials.

6. Shielding, but shields can be broken.

7. If we had the Oath Rod, which is currently occupied. Elayne and Rand do not have the Oath rod.

8. Conceded.
Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
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Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 05:25:29 PM 2448 Views
ya this does work fistofpainx - 03/10/2009 06:32:22 PM 973 Views
Totally Agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 03/10/2009 06:38:27 PM 508 Views
Makes sense, but... Etzel - 03/10/2009 07:04:27 PM 1148 Views
Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know how Cannoli - 03/10/2009 07:16:03 PM 1403 Views
Re: Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know h MissKoalaVB - 04/10/2009 12:55:55 AM 1638 Views
Is this the real stilling? Etzel - 04/10/2009 09:06:32 AM 1517 Views
It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 02:55:35 PM 1109 Views
Re: It's real stilling Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 06:46:58 PM 1656 Views
Re: It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 06:53:52 PM 1132 Views
I think Egwene took longer because it was the first time. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/10/2009 07:20:26 PM 468 Views
Not in my opinion Sidious - 05/10/2009 05:00:30 AM 1381 Views
How does that respond to what I said? fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:15:57 AM 954 Views
Re: How does that respond to what I said? Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:07:16 PM 1007 Views
Doesn't make sense.... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:20:21 AM 932 Views
Re: Doesn't make sense.... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:30:04 AM 1065 Views
I disagree. Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 10:03:56 PM 1018 Views
Re: I disagree. Sidious - 05/10/2009 04:58:04 AM 1061 Views
Then... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:12:45 AM 975 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:09:04 PM 972 Views
Re: Then... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:25:22 AM 1078 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:51:48 AM 987 Views
I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 06/10/2009 02:18:01 AM 1053 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:50:33 AM 1215 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2009 02:28:34 AM 1110 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 07/10/2009 08:20:34 AM 1029 Views
Well, you may, but I remain unconvinced . Fanatic-Templar - 08/10/2009 12:22:31 AM 1149 Views
I think it's too risky Sidious - 03/10/2009 07:21:51 PM 1093 Views
Of course, they should still be guarded with restricted access. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 09:02:21 PM 1162 Views
Re: I think it's too risky DomA - 05/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 1015 Views
Sounds good, but the Aes Sedai aren't known for making the most logical decisions. Nice Post *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 07:47:36 PM 500 Views
oops i meant to put "aren't" but i accidently put are. It's edited now. Sorry for any confusion *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 10:26:50 PM 488 Views
I just thought you were being sarcastic at them *NM* Cannoli - 03/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 507 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 04:51:58 AM 1244 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM 1071 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 05:45:16 PM 1854 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM 1087 Views
To Clarify... Orlin_Artemi - 05/10/2009 12:30:28 AM 1178 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 05/10/2009 02:54:40 PM 1731 Views
Remember Shadar Logoth Ryan - 04/10/2009 02:49:06 PM 972 Views
The only thing worse than ignoring morality for pragmatism is moralizing a non-moral issue Cannoli - 04/10/2009 09:36:43 PM 1135 Views
Re: Remember Shadar Logoth DomA - 05/10/2009 06:05:54 AM 1084 Views
From Rand's viewpoint Ben - 05/10/2009 01:10:18 PM 1784 Views
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