Both sides have some quotes against them, but neither says an angreal multiplies or adds more for a stronger channeler. That has absolutely no evidence for it.
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Multiplier model makes the bracelet vastly too powerful for Rand to have had any chance on the docks. For it to have made Moiraine stronger than her previous level it would have needed to multiplied her new strength by at least 6x (possibly more), but that would have made Lanfear like 5x Rands strength on the docks which seems like a lot even with the fat man angreal. Especially since she had the bracelet before he drew through his angreal.
Multiplier model makes the bracelet vastly too powerful for Rand to have had any chance on the docks. For it to have made Moiraine stronger than her previous level it would have needed to multiplied her new strength by at least 6x (possibly more), but that would have made Lanfear like 5x Rands strength on the docks which seems like a lot even with the fat man angreal. Especially since she had the bracelet before he drew through his angreal.
I agree. I also don't think a multiplier would work the way Rand's angreal did when he used it with the Choedan Kal against Asmodean. Asmodean and Rand both got exactly half of the CK, which doesn't make sense if it multiplied their strength. And then Rand was able to use his angreal at the same time, and it only added a small trickle. It didn't multiply the amount he was drawing through the CK. Unless angreal have some way of knowing your potential, rather than the amount of the OP you're drawing, I don't see how Rand only got a trickle more when also using the CK.
Additive model has flaws as well,as I mentioned in my earlier post that it doesn't fully explain how the Turtle could make Elayne 2x Nynaeve and still be a "weak" angreal, in fact it would likely be stronger than the bracelet given what we know it will make Moiraine stronger than level 13 but seems unlikely that she would be much beyond that from the way it's phrased.
I think the simplest explanation was that Elayne was wrong. Or, most angreal are "weak", and stronger ones are incredibly rare.
Perhaps there are both multipliers and additive angreal.
Seems to complicated to me to be the true answer here.
Angreal, Sa'angreal and Moiraine at 66
- 11/01/2016 08:53:23 AM
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Uhhh...
- 12/01/2016 12:07:42 AM
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Yet there are problems with either
- 15/01/2016 08:52:04 PM
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Re: Yet there are problems with either
- 16/01/2016 05:29:11 AM
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random thought on Shielding
- 19/01/2016 07:34:20 PM
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You're forgetting the other side, though.
- 19/01/2016 08:19:59 PM
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yes but it doesn't proactively do this
- 19/01/2016 10:06:25 PM
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Responding to a shield doesn't require proactiveness
- 20/01/2016 05:53:24 AM
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it's a visualization thing really
- 20/01/2016 04:39:08 PM
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Not the crux of the debate...
- 21/01/2016 03:37:40 AM
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Not really though
- 21/01/2016 05:00:34 PM
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I always explained it as
- 21/01/2016 09:26:35 PM
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There's not much to go on since all the shields except Berowyn's are the same
- 21/01/2016 09:55:14 PM
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That's precisely my point
- 21/01/2016 10:09:02 PM
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now you are speculating based on a lack of evidence
- 21/01/2016 10:39:13 PM
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There's actual evidence:
- 22/01/2016 06:25:25 AM
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what's dense here is that you keep putting in quotes that don't support your position
- 22/01/2016 03:28:16 PM
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Whoa..
- 22/01/2016 04:24:19 PM
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Not at all
- 22/01/2016 05:03:50 PM
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Wonderful
- 22/01/2016 06:30:35 PM
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yup that's my argument. that and you're a dick so I'm done with this
- 22/01/2016 06:46:23 PM
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Re: yup that's my argument. that and you're a dick so I'm done with this
- 23/01/2016 02:35:33 PM
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Hmmm....
- 23/01/2016 03:06:15 PM
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Let me clear this up
- 25/01/2016 04:19:51 PM
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Some more quotes
- 25/01/2016 05:10:51 PM
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none of which I've denied or tried to prove otherwise
- 25/01/2016 07:19:48 PM
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Re: none of which I've denied or tried to prove otherwise
- 26/01/2016 03:45:52 AM
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Re: none of which I've denied or tried to prove otherwise
- 26/01/2016 09:00:55 AM
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Re: none of which I've denied or tried to prove otherwise
- 26/01/2016 10:39:49 AM
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from the very beginning of this conversation I've been saying I'm theorizing
- 26/01/2016 04:09:19 PM
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Yes, but that's not what I'm arguing...
- 16/01/2016 08:56:15 AM
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But additive doesn't explain buffers and being able to overdraw
- 16/01/2016 03:02:33 PM
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Don't those two facts explain each other?
- 16/01/2016 03:24:44 PM
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It actually seems counterintuitive to me
- 19/01/2016 07:15:37 PM
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Simple
- 19/01/2016 08:21:11 PM
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Not at all
- 19/01/2016 10:17:39 PM
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Huh?
- 20/01/2016 06:01:04 AM
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agree to disagree I suppose ... I don't see it this way 
*NM*
- 20/01/2016 04:41:16 PM
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*NM*
- 20/01/2016 04:41:16 PM
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I didn't sense disagreement so much as confusion over my position. *NM*
- 21/01/2016 12:01:16 AM
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Re: I didn't sense disagreement so much as confusion over my position.
- 21/01/2016 02:07:21 AM
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Re: I didn't sense disagreement so much as confusion over my position.
- 21/01/2016 03:32:59 AM
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I don't necessarily think that's true
- 21/01/2016 05:07:40 PM
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I don't see how magnifiers solve this
- 21/01/2016 10:01:17 PM
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Re: I don't see how magnifiers solve this
- 21/01/2016 10:16:16 PM
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Uhhh...
- 22/01/2016 06:51:11 AM
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Funny, I just saw this post
- 17/09/2016 11:13:09 PM
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