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Re: Where's the racism and homophobia in WOT? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/01/2016 11:33:54 PM

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View original postHomophobia, and to a degree racism, is rooted in religion, especially in religions like Christianity and Islam. These don't exist in Randland and no one ever said 'guys can't be together' in some tome from the AOL, so homophobia never started.

I suppose I'll have to accept that this is the reason, but I don't think it's that simple. Marriage in the series is definitely an institutional arrangement with the aim of passing on inheritance in the families, just more matriarchal than it would've been in our world historically. With that in mind, I would assume that same-sex relationships would be frowned on. And in the same way, the religious ban surely originates from biology (among other things, I'm sure) and not some peculiar whim of God.
View original postDiscrimination always has a chronological but usually senseless origin. Rand has encountered 'racism' for looking like an Aielman because of his red hair. That came from the war with the Aiel as well as the general 'barbarism' witnessed by people when they met the Aiel.

As it is, the Tinkers are the most consistently discriminated group. But if something as boring as red hair can evoke feelings of otherness and prejudice, I would imagine that a different skin colour would do that, too. Maybe RJ could have thrown in a nasty comment from some Tairen merchant who's angry at the Sea Folk for some bargain. Not that I mind the lack of racism.

I think there are many moments of macro-racism (Illianes and Tariens despise one another as do Taraboners and Domani). Cairheinin and Andorans are distrustful ... In fact the only cross national respect we really see is from the Bordelanders, but that probably has to do with the high degree of cultural similarity amongst them, coupled with a common enemy with the blight.

Homosexuality just seems totally unremarkable in the series. Pillow friends and such are taken as a simple matter of course as is lesbianism. Gay males are much more rare, but Algarin clearly inhererted and wasn't considered any less for being gay. Jordan has some peculiar ideas about how being gay works, but he clearly didn't make it any kind of social stigma

Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Where's the racism and homophobia in WOT? kHz1000 - 09/01/2016 08:07:06 PM 1364 Views
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Re: Where's the racism and homophobia in WOT? Sidious - 11/01/2016 06:04:00 AM 1481 Views
Re: Where's the racism and homophobia in WOT? Sidious - 10/01/2016 02:25:21 PM 1813 Views
What Logain quote are you referencing? *NM* darius_sedai - 11/01/2016 06:07:57 PM 641 Views
Logain stated that Rand is stronger than him because he makes larger Gateways *NM* kHz1000 - 11/01/2016 06:24:34 PM 614 Views
Oh I thought he was referencing a homophobic comment! *NM* darius_sedai - 11/01/2016 06:43:48 PM 673 Views
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That is a big logical leap, and dodges rather than answering the question Joel - 08/02/2016 11:52:11 AM 1306 Views
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Jordans world lacks a God or religions? Joel - 13/02/2016 04:57:10 PM 1330 Views
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Just because Randland is Deist does not make it deity-free. Joel - 14/02/2016 01:59:58 PM 1387 Views
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That sounds about right Joel - 15/02/2016 11:21:42 AM 1170 Views
Perhaps, but perhaps not darius_sedai - 16/02/2016 01:26:46 AM 1145 Views
A non-deity Creator is a distinction without a difference Joel - 16/02/2016 03:52:24 AM 1385 Views
I don't think I'm making my point clear darius_sedai - 17/02/2016 02:36:51 AM 1052 Views
Sorry Darius, but there's a lot of mistakes there... fionwe1987 - 20/02/2016 06:18:16 AM 1169 Views
No. I'm questioning what constitues being a Diety. Existence and the act of creation do not IMO darius_sedai - 21/02/2016 10:05:12 PM 1064 Views
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He was one of the smarter Trollocs, yeah kHz1000 - 11/01/2016 11:45:54 PM 1177 Views
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