Active Users:3892 Time:13/09/2026 10:46:56 PM
Re: My admittedly scratch memory fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 31/12/2015 08:47:58 AM

View original post
Regarding the helpless Sul'dam, my recollection is that Egwene freed the Damane, and then after that killed the Sul'dam, who realistically at that point weren't a direct threat, and I think it is debatable that a sister who had sworn the three oaths would have been able to kill them.

Perhaps, but I'm not convinced the Three Oaths would have stopped that. Look, we see Joline, Teslyn and Edesina hurl fireballs at an oncoming army of Seanchan. They could have just woven a wall of air to protect themselves from their arrows. But they chose to kill them anyway.

Whether the Three Oaths would have stopped this or not, though, within the combat situation they were in, Egwene did not violate any basic laws of combat by killing the sul'dam. They hadn't voluntarily disarmed, and certainly hadn't offered anything like a surrender, and were quite unlikely to anyway.


My recollection of Egwene's death is even shakier, as can't recall all the intricacies of it, but it wasn't that clear to me that she needed to overdraw in order to wipe out the Shanaran channelers - it seemed that at that point she gave up somewhat, following Gawyn's death, and so let go of things, and may have got almost the same impact either way.

Egwene already overdrew before she killed the Sharans. She was perfectly matched with Taim, and had to overdraw to overcome his Balefire. This was a done deal. She was either going to release the source, and be burned out, and completely in no position to stop the Sharans or deal with the new hole in the Pattern, or else overdraw even more and do both those things, risking death. She chose the latter, which is perfectly fair, and was the sensible and right thing to do anyway.
Reply to message
Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 26/12/2015 08:46:07 PM 2655 Views
My answers - 27/12/2015 02:55:35 AM 1626 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 27/12/2015 04:42:28 PM 1738 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 27/12/2015 09:01:33 PM 1747 Views
Black Ajah - 28/12/2015 02:44:04 AM 1649 Views
Mine - 27/12/2015 10:39:08 PM 1767 Views
Re: Mine - 28/12/2015 12:57:23 AM 1695 Views
Re: Mine - 28/12/2015 09:51:54 AM 1506 Views
Re: Mine - 28/12/2015 02:02:33 PM 1518 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 28/12/2015 12:40:49 PM 2004 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 28/12/2015 01:53:00 PM 1858 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 29/12/2015 11:35:09 AM 1600 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 29/12/2015 05:12:46 PM 1597 Views
So about Egwene... - 28/12/2015 04:26:47 PM 1858 Views
Re: So about Egwene... - 28/12/2015 10:52:29 PM 1728 Views
Why do you bother? *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:23:10 AM 947 Views
Seriously... - 29/12/2015 01:30:34 AM 1601 Views
Sadly I have to agree - 29/12/2015 08:46:58 AM 1687 Views
You people are the insane ones - 29/12/2015 11:21:24 AM 1687 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones - 29/12/2015 12:10:51 PM 1781 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones - 30/12/2015 11:25:09 AM 1708 Views
Yet it's Mesaana who forces the head to head confrontation with Egwene - 30/12/2015 05:25:00 PM 1808 Views
I don't get the "circumstances being created" argument anyway... - 31/12/2015 02:53:14 AM 1498 Views
Re: I don't get the "circumstances being created" argument anyway... - 31/12/2015 06:28:33 AM 1633 Views
Damn stupid WoT, never working out the way you think it should! - 04/01/2016 01:38:45 AM 1669 Views
So you agree, Egwene eliminated on of the Forsaken in a direct conflict - 04/01/2016 03:28:35 AM 1506 Views
Yeah. I just don't see how it redounds to her credit, or is particularly impressive. - 04/01/2016 07:17:20 AM 1755 Views
Re: Yeah. I just don't see how it redounds to her credit, or is particularly impressive. - 04/01/2016 03:59:18 PM 1721 Views
Re: Yeah. I just don't see how it redounds to her credit, or is particularly impressive. - 04/01/2016 04:19:00 PM 1669 Views
Well, to put things in context - 04/01/2016 04:28:00 PM 1712 Views
Re: Well, to put things in context - 04/01/2016 07:05:27 PM 1977 Views
That's not the worst argument given how lame many of them were - 04/01/2016 06:37:44 PM 1908 Views
Uh oh - 04/01/2016 07:03:08 PM 2350 Views
*grabs Dewars* *NM* - 04/01/2016 08:24:05 PM 1045 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones - 30/12/2015 06:22:02 PM 1829 Views
Apparently, Egwene shouldn't have killed the Sharans... - 31/12/2015 02:56:08 AM 1732 Views
it's just an excuse to not give credit to a character he doesn't like - 31/12/2015 04:44:17 AM 1894 Views
Exactly. The double standard has always existed in Cannoli's rants. - 31/12/2015 05:31:42 AM 1841 Views
Yes well I've only recently started to realize how distasteful it is - 31/12/2015 06:27:26 AM 1959 Views
Wow... the board was alive 5 years ago! - 31/12/2015 08:34:03 AM 1772 Views
LOL ... Someday you'll come to realize how right we were!!! *NM* - 31/12/2015 05:23:18 PM 1046 Views
How is this a concession? - 04/01/2016 08:05:38 AM 1955 Views
Re: How is this a concession? - 04/01/2016 10:49:20 AM 1970 Views
You can dislike Cannoli, you can claim his arguments are biased... - 31/12/2015 07:09:55 PM 1775 Views
Offended? No, I find it funny, in a needs medication way - 31/12/2015 07:50:28 PM 1679 Views
It is possible - 01/01/2016 05:59:51 AM 1801 Views
It's also possible that he created a bunch of sock puppet handles to pat himself on the back - 01/01/2016 06:53:27 AM 1818 Views
Re: It's also possible that he created a bunch of sock puppet handles to pat himself on the back - 01/01/2016 08:43:43 AM 1761 Views
She's. Not. A. Real. Person. - 02/01/2016 01:49:37 AM 1752 Views
Re: She's. Not. A. Real. Person. - 02/01/2016 04:16:39 AM 1735 Views
Re: She's. Not. A. Real. Person. - 08/01/2016 10:33:22 PM 1719 Views
Fair enough - 01/01/2016 09:31:47 AM 1524 Views
Where did I say someone who reads his posts are dumb or something? - 01/01/2016 05:15:30 PM 1672 Views
Not directly - 01/01/2016 09:09:05 PM 1564 Views
And yet I'm being told I'm the one acting offended - 02/01/2016 01:15:15 AM 1491 Views
See, this is the crap I'm talking about. - 01/01/2016 06:20:16 PM 1683 Views
Re: See, this is the crap I'm talking about. - 01/01/2016 07:25:38 PM 1824 Views
Okay, Mark, all kidding and stuff aside, you're being the asshole, here. - 02/01/2016 03:49:08 AM 1763 Views
Okay... - 02/01/2016 04:50:24 AM 1586 Views
About insults... - 02/01/2016 05:04:47 AM 1569 Views
I don't know where to even respond about all this! - 02/01/2016 07:39:43 PM 1626 Views
Re: I don't know where to even respond about all this! - 03/01/2016 10:39:10 AM 1597 Views
LOL ... Love it *NM* - 03/01/2016 04:17:02 PM 872 Views
Re: Okay... - 02/01/2016 12:55:37 PM 1813 Views
Um, I think you are going a bit far with your assumptions - 01/01/2016 07:35:23 PM 1619 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones - 29/12/2015 02:13:32 PM 1575 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones - 30/12/2015 11:50:13 AM 1872 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones - 30/12/2015 05:07:09 PM 1699 Views
My admittedly scratch memory - 31/12/2015 08:32:51 AM 1618 Views
Re: My admittedly scratch memory - 31/12/2015 08:47:58 AM 1659 Views
Thanks - 01/01/2016 06:14:45 AM 1551 Views
One thing... - 01/01/2016 06:42:10 AM 1503 Views
Re: One thing... - 01/01/2016 08:49:00 AM 1520 Views
Re: One thing... - 01/01/2016 01:40:21 PM 1568 Views
Interesting - 01/01/2016 09:18:43 AM 1505 Views
Re: Interesting - 01/01/2016 05:29:38 PM 1561 Views
Re: Interesting - 01/01/2016 06:50:26 PM 1506 Views
Or perhaps a mixed circle could figure it out - 01/01/2016 07:40:02 PM 1589 Views
Maybe it's like a broken bone? - 01/01/2016 09:10:26 PM 1504 Views
Re: Maybe it's like a broken bone? - 02/01/2016 01:13:05 AM 1549 Views
Re: My admittedly scratch memory - 02/01/2016 02:10:44 AM 1775 Views
Here we go with the selective criticisms again... - 02/01/2016 04:23:47 AM 1670 Views
It's not selective to point out legitimate differences in circumstances. - 02/01/2016 12:25:07 PM 1840 Views
not true, the Sul'dam's mission was to capture or kill as many marath'damane as they could - 02/01/2016 08:49:28 PM 1502 Views
How are they supposed to do that without a'dam? - 04/01/2016 01:45:52 AM 1616 Views
enemy combatant in an active hot zone - 04/01/2016 03:34:15 AM 1560 Views
Only if they were germane to the issue... - 03/01/2016 09:32:22 AM 1546 Views
Timing of the creation of the three oaths - 03/01/2016 08:22:12 PM 1536 Views
Re: Timing of the creation of the three oaths - 03/01/2016 08:56:35 PM 1689 Views
Cheers - 03/01/2016 09:50:41 PM 1542 Views
Re: Cheers - 03/01/2016 10:35:34 PM 1666 Views
Re: Only if they were germane to the issue... - 04/01/2016 07:15:58 AM 1619 Views
Q.E.D. - 04/01/2016 12:29:58 PM 1874 Views
Re: Q.E.D. - 04/01/2016 02:41:19 PM 1754 Views
Interesting... - 28/12/2015 02:31:33 PM 1596 Views
Re Perrin - 29/12/2015 07:24:41 AM 1656 Views
Perrin is right almost all the time. How is he not smart? - 04/01/2016 08:26:18 AM 1812 Views
Re: Perrin is right almost all the time. How is he not smart? - 04/01/2016 01:44:53 PM 1672 Views
Re: Perrin is right almost all the time. How is he not smart? - 07/01/2016 12:24:28 AM 1951 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 18/01/2016 04:40:03 PM 1385 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions - 18/01/2016 04:44:10 PM 1398 Views
Overrated characters - 06/02/2016 04:24:55 PM 1415 Views

Reply to Message