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Yes well I've only recently started to realize how distasteful it is Sidious Send a noteboard - 31/12/2015 06:27:26 AM

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Dunno if you waded through the crap he spewed in response to me, but he says it wasn't Egwene's choice to make to overdraw and destroy all the Sharan's and seal off the new hole in the Pattern. I'm sure we'll get some completely deranged answer as to why Egwene couldn't make the choice of giving up her life to save the world. Not holding my breath for it to be logical or coherent though.

If you wanted to you could create a rant about any character in any series and use "circumstances" as your rationale for why any given action doesn't "count"

Cannoli has been trotting out these tired arguments for years, he wrote his opus on this very sight over the last two years even though no one was even here to read it!



I don't mind oppositional views - I relish them. In fact, getting into a debate with someone who really knows the series is one of my favourite things to do. I can't think of anything better than debating the OP with you and Darius because you both know the series very well but are also clearly wrong in all your opinions and need to be helped to understand.

The point is that Cannoli is very knowledgable about most areas of the series and he could be a great debater regarding Egwene, whom I love and he despises. But it's become irrational now and more than irritating. I have written whole posts like http://www.readandfindout.com/wheeloftime/messageboard/69583/ where I am prepared to concede bad behaviour on Egwene's part. However, Cannoli will not concede anything. I actually enjoy debating with Shannow but he's the same with the OP.

I just don't understand how anyone can say that Egwene has not delivered and then come up with more than preposterous answers when these facts are challenged. When clever people are stupid or stubborn it's the absolute worst. Why was Egwene obligated to kill herself against Taim? That's completely moronic. Most people would have held out thinking of another plan, or waiting for an ally to help them. Maybe the AS around her would have made a circle of 13 and finally come to the party? The point is that she made the choice to overdraw and die to kill Taim and a whole army of evil channelers. Even from her own PoV the act was selfless. How is that not producing the goods? HOW!?

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Yes well I've only recently started to realize how distasteful it is - 31/12/2015 06:27:26 AM 1592 Views
Wow... the board was alive 5 years ago! - 31/12/2015 08:34:03 AM 1525 Views
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