Active Users:619 Time:02/04/2026 07:26:53 AM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
Sorilea has always been shown as skilled darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 10/12/2015 04:10:37 PM

View original post

Yeah, I disagree. The Companion says explicitly that someone very strong can be very unskilled, and I believe that to be true. Skill is distributed all over the strength scale. We know Sorilea, weak as she is, is very skilled.We've seen it with others too. So no, I don't believe its true that skill goes with strength.

But I'm talking about trends, I'm not making a rule. Aginor is an excellent example of a very powerful and unskilled channeler. A strong channeler obviously has to train and practice, but as I said, I believe they are better with the Power innately. Stronger channelers also have more Talents in general. There is a general kinship with saidin/saidar that increases with strength, especially at high levels. I've never seen a strong channeler struggle with a specific flow.

There are irritating people who can study two hours before an exam and get an A and others who can't. The Power could be like this.

Since when is Sorilea skilled?


Weak for certain, but she could weave gateways well enough to teach it to Cadsuane. Who later described her as weak but skilled.

As to Talents, I think there isn't much to say that strength plays much of a role really. Healing seems to be all over the map in terms of how strong the Talent is, Cloud Dancing seems to nearly be a genetic trait given that the Sea Folk all seem to possess it in great amounts. Seeing Ta'veren, reading residues, intrinsic knowledge of what a weave would be prior to it's completion, Traveling, Dreaming, Foretelling, Aligning the Matrix, all of these Talents have appeared strongly in weaker Channelers, in some cases to a massive degree.

I will say that stronger channelers seem to be more likely to possess multiple high level Talents. But that might have more to do with the Pattern giving the main cast the tools they needed in order to win the Last Battle. I don't recall any of the Forsaken having more than 1 major Talent.

Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Reply to message
Sortable, searchable file of Channelers darius_sedai - 28/11/2015 10:01:57 PM 3624 Views
Outstanding job Sidious - 29/11/2015 04:15:17 PM 1367 Views
Re: Outstanding job darius_sedai - 29/11/2015 06:53:40 PM 1336 Views
Very impressive. Well done. Cannoli - 29/11/2015 04:41:52 PM 1507 Views
Re: Very impressive. Well done. darius_sedai - 29/11/2015 06:54:02 PM 1391 Views
Quick Question gban007 - 30/11/2015 05:11:17 AM 1522 Views
Nope fionwe1987 - 30/11/2015 05:44:04 AM 1578 Views
They do say it Sidious - 30/11/2015 10:32:48 AM 1688 Views
I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength darius_sedai - 30/11/2015 03:21:00 PM 1380 Views
Re: I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength Sidious - 01/12/2015 08:02:01 AM 1501 Views
Well, it also states that there are gradations within each level too darius_sedai - 01/12/2015 04:26:29 PM 1523 Views
Well maybe Sidious - 02/12/2015 06:31:05 AM 1513 Views
Here's how I see it: fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:34:54 AM 1521 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 04:22:52 PM 1532 Views
Re: I agree DomA - 02/12/2015 05:14:50 PM 1703 Views
It's always been confusing darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 06:00:01 PM 1667 Views
Re: It's always been confusing DomA - 02/12/2015 07:27:11 PM 1629 Views
I wholeheartedly agree darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 08:07:39 PM 1464 Views
Re: Here's how I see it: DomA - 02/12/2015 04:46:54 PM 1708 Views
Morgase Sidious - 03/12/2015 04:37:47 AM 1566 Views
I agree with you on this darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:22:22 PM 1392 Views
Re: Morgase DomA - 03/12/2015 07:46:59 PM 1670 Views
I didn't realize he was being literal in that comment darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 09:29:52 PM 1496 Views
Re: I didn't realize he was being literal in that comment DomA - 04/12/2015 08:41:51 PM 1403 Views
I don't know about RJ's issues, but the White Tower's waste always seemed like a minor theme there Cannoli - 04/12/2015 09:05:08 PM 1476 Views
Yes the Aes Sedai are all about "the glory of being Aes Sedai" kind of like religious cults darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:47:34 PM 1395 Views
Too bad he also wrote in contingencies darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:45:26 PM 1355 Views
Re: Well maybe darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 03:52:49 PM 1623 Views
Re: Well maybe Sidious - 02/12/2015 04:42:37 PM 1671 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 06:11:42 PM 1431 Views
Re: Probably DomA - 02/12/2015 07:38:50 PM 1552 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 08:21:07 PM 1435 Views
Re: Indeed Sidious - 03/12/2015 04:08:03 AM 1374 Views
close enough to not debate about it darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:47:55 PM 1385 Views
Re: close enough to not debate about it fionwe1987 - 03/12/2015 04:14:38 PM 1379 Views
I think you misunderstand what I'm saying darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 04:43:29 PM 1448 Views
Re: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying fionwe1987 - 03/12/2015 05:41:17 PM 1460 Views
um, no darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 09:24:31 PM 1371 Views
You two seem like Egwene's interchangeable defenders to me; it's weird to see you fighting. Cannoli - 04/12/2015 09:21:23 PM 1728 Views
That's on you... fionwe1987 - 04/12/2015 09:46:51 PM 1391 Views
We've been arguing on the forums for like 10 years darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:36:55 PM 1370 Views
It's Cannoli, Darius fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:53:06 PM 1375 Views
LOL *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 03:26:40 AM 826 Views
Some points Sidious - 05/12/2015 11:14:30 AM 1381 Views
Re: close enough to not debate about it Sidious - 05/12/2015 11:29:44 AM 1416 Views
Re: I added Rand and Lews Therin to the ++1 Strength gban007 - 03/12/2015 07:22:15 AM 1333 Views
Great job fionwe1987 - 30/11/2015 05:45:27 AM 1388 Views
Re: Great job darius_sedai - 30/11/2015 03:22:09 PM 1391 Views
Made a few adjustments to add some presumed minimum/maximum levels *NM* darius_sedai - 30/11/2015 04:28:13 PM 904 Views
Some questions fionwe1987 - 30/11/2015 05:18:00 PM 1375 Views
Re: Some questions darius_sedai - 30/11/2015 07:26:29 PM 1364 Views
Re: Some questions Sidious - 01/12/2015 08:05:01 AM 1556 Views
That's why I added another column to it darius_sedai - 01/12/2015 04:25:04 PM 1447 Views
Some more fionwe1987 - 01/12/2015 05:24:40 PM 1460 Views
Re: Some more darius_sedai - 01/12/2015 07:34:20 PM 1490 Views
Re: Some more fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 12:27:40 AM 1498 Views
Re: Some more darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 02:26:53 AM 1422 Views
Re: Some more fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:24:49 AM 1479 Views
Re: Some more darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 05:54:49 PM 1503 Views
Re: Some more Sidious - 03/12/2015 04:26:45 AM 1303 Views
You said this much better than I did darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:53:57 PM 1370 Views
I think the men are much too strong Sidious - 02/12/2015 09:01:56 AM 1542 Views
Yes fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 03:06:44 PM 1370 Views
Re: Yes Sidious - 02/12/2015 04:45:20 PM 1479 Views
Re: Yes darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 06:39:43 PM 1529 Views
Re: Yes Sidious - 03/12/2015 03:56:23 AM 1328 Views
I think when characters quoted information from their world it gets muddled darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 04:19:43 PM 1443 Views
Shielding Sidious - 05/12/2015 11:19:40 AM 1284 Views
I feel like there is an RJ quote about this actually darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 06:41:35 PM 1310 Views
Re: I feel like there is an RJ quote about this actually Sidious - 07/12/2015 12:39:54 PM 1375 Views
seriously! darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 04:55:43 PM 1370 Views
Who should defer to whom? darius_sedai - 01/12/2015 08:17:22 PM 1515 Views
Interesting... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:44:32 AM 1526 Views
I think there needs to be a pretty significant (5+ levels) difference darius_sedai - 02/12/2015 06:25:35 PM 1539 Views
Good job Terez - 05/12/2015 08:43:09 PM 1886 Views
Some questions fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 12:28:46 AM 1382 Views
Can't offer much Terez - 06/12/2015 12:33:29 AM 1709 Views
Cool. Hopefully Dom will see this... fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:58:39 PM 1306 Views
Re: Some questions darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 08:06:56 PM 1330 Views
Then there would be some mention of it, yes/ fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:56:10 PM 1336 Views
Not at all ... He clearly had a general sense of how it worked darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 03:28:35 AM 1265 Views
Re: Some questions DomA - 07/12/2015 04:19:43 PM 1601 Views
yet we also know that some things are inherently different for men and women darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 08:15:26 PM 1301 Views
it probably has to do with the fact that the characters in the books are also obsessed with strength darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:58:20 PM 1407 Views
Sort of. Terez - 06/12/2015 10:30:36 PM 1884 Views
Makes sense fionwe1987 - 07/12/2015 12:38:54 AM 1310 Views
Clearly his strength rankings came in mid-series darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 07:39:59 PM 1523 Views
Re: Clearly his strength rankings came in mid-series Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:33:27 AM 1356 Views
Probably something along those lines darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 03:44:48 PM 1249 Views
Lifespan question (Spoiler) darius_sedai - 08/12/2015 05:42:41 PM 1286 Views
Moiraine... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 02:28:50 AM 1372 Views
That too is possible darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 03:02:12 PM 1314 Views
Some random trends/data points darius_sedai - 08/12/2015 08:39:14 PM 1321 Views
Who is the one Sharan? And I'm surprised so many Seanchan have listed strength levels. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 02:42:51 AM 843 Views
Re: Who is the one Sharan? And I'm surprised so many Seanchan have listed strength levels. darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:18 PM 1401 Views
Not sure she can channel, though fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 03:22:17 PM 1215 Views
Re: Not sure she can channel, though darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 04:54:37 PM 1397 Views
duplicate post ignore *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:36 PM 765 Views
duplicate post ignore *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:55 PM 790 Views
so.... Sidious - 09/12/2015 06:10:41 AM 1386 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 03:24:07 PM 1369 Views
Yes Sidious - 09/12/2015 03:46:30 PM 1291 Views
Some things to consider fionwe1987 - 09/12/2015 04:18:50 PM 1294 Views
Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:43:35 AM 1253 Views
Re: Some things to consider fionwe1987 - 10/12/2015 06:28:49 AM 1236 Views
Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 11:53:51 AM 1285 Views
Sorilea has always been shown as skilled darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 04:10:37 PM 1364 Views
Re: Some things to consider fionwe1987 - 10/12/2015 04:46:29 PM 1284 Views
Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:50:17 PM 1276 Views
plenty of weaker ones with notably strong Talents actually darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 06:26:03 PM 1341 Views
This is a flawed list Sidious - 11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM 1258 Views
and you are just rationalizing to make your point seem plausible darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 03:10:12 PM 1390 Views
another point about Talents (unrelated to the Strength question) darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 06:06:42 PM 1457 Views
Not really Sidious - 11/12/2015 09:09:41 PM 1370 Views
You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 10:13:13 PM 1389 Views
Re: You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement Sidious - 12/12/2015 06:46:05 AM 1266 Views
Let's face it a body builder ninja is sort of funny to think about darius_sedai - 12/12/2015 02:55:37 PM 1365 Views
Some quotes fionwe1987 - 12/12/2015 01:18:41 AM 1261 Views
Re: Some things to consider fionwe1987 - 12/12/2015 03:18:30 AM 1359 Views
Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 12/12/2015 06:19:15 AM 1336 Views
Hey ... I have no interest in making you look stupid! darius_sedai - 12/12/2015 03:15:26 PM 1268 Views
Re: Hey ... I have no interest in making you look stupid! Sidious - 13/12/2015 11:26:17 AM 1302 Views
Yes, it's a sad thing to realize that this is pretty much the end of the road darius_sedai - 14/12/2015 04:40:50 PM 1254 Views
Re: Yes, it's a sad thing to realize that this is pretty much the end of the road Sidious - 15/12/2015 06:01:58 AM 1302 Views
I'm actually perplexed fionwe1987 - 15/12/2015 07:19:27 AM 1242 Views
Re: I'm actually perplexed Sidious - 17/12/2015 11:36:59 AM 1381 Views
LOL ... Amen! *NM* darius_sedai - 15/12/2015 03:54:55 PM 802 Views
I don't think Elayne was that Strong in TSR darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 04:55:19 PM 1335 Views
Yes and No darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 04:35:48 PM 1247 Views
Re: Yes and No DomA - 09/12/2015 10:41:32 PM 1382 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 11:01:03 PM 1330 Views
Ajah Strength Index darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 10:45:29 PM 1311 Views
Greens... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2015 12:24:11 AM 1286 Views
Me too honestly darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 03:12:21 AM 1225 Views
Re: Me too honestly fionwe1987 - 10/12/2015 04:59:42 AM 1270 Views
Re: Me too honestly darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 04:18:00 PM 1314 Views
Re: Ajah Strength Index Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:40:39 AM 1291 Views
I'm not so sure you'd have a chioce darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 04:01:35 PM 1276 Views
Liandrin's 13 darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 09:14:50 PM 1422 Views
Explain Sidious - 11/12/2015 05:16:55 AM 1362 Views
Several reasons ... Edited for clarity darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 02:54:58 PM 1448 Views
Bowl of the Winds Circle darius_sedai - 14/12/2015 09:41:33 PM 1312 Views
The Cleansing Circles ... some speculation here darius_sedai - 15/12/2015 05:52:14 PM 1299 Views
If I was Cadsuane I would have done it differently darius_sedai - 15/12/2015 10:01:07 PM 1351 Views
Aran'gar fionwe1987 - 16/12/2015 01:11:17 AM 1454 Views
Re: Aran'gar Sidious - 16/12/2015 06:54:28 AM 1474 Views
mostly agree darius_sedai - 16/12/2015 06:27:06 PM 1335 Views
Re: Aran'gar fionwe1987 - 16/12/2015 06:50:27 PM 1619 Views
Re: Aran'gar Sidious - 17/12/2015 10:07:48 AM 1524 Views
We do have some additional clues darius_sedai - 17/12/2015 06:26:20 PM 1510 Views
additional thought darius_sedai - 16/12/2015 06:49:04 PM 1289 Views
Does she know that? fionwe1987 - 16/12/2015 06:58:24 PM 1474 Views
I'm speculating of course darius_sedai - 16/12/2015 07:37:10 PM 1335 Views
Strength by National origin darius_sedai - 16/12/2015 09:04:11 PM 1259 Views
Rebels v. Loyalists! darius_sedai - 16/12/2015 10:29:28 PM 1370 Views
Tamra's known hunters darius_sedai - 04/01/2016 06:58:17 PM 1354 Views
Known... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2016 01:54:56 AM 1239 Views
Re: Known... darius_sedai - 05/01/2016 02:55:50 AM 1465 Views
If you want to use the file you might want to grab it now before the site shuts down *NM* darius_sedai - 18/09/2016 06:45:48 PM 711 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes