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Makes sense fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 07/12/2015 12:38:54 AM

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Then somewhere between TPOD and COT he started using the new system. That's probably when he started trying to decide on Forsaken strengths.

By LoC we start seeing specific statements about strength, I think. Before that, I'd wager RJ didn't even have the dexterity advantage down. By tPoD, we have Graendal specifically giving hints on the power levels of the Forsaken, close assessments of strength from characters like Elayne, etc. In WH, this goes further, and I suspect RJ used these levels to design the circles that took on specific Forsaken.

I do wonder if RJ would have given us any specific info on how average Aes Sedai and Asha'man compare, if he lived to write the Last Battle.

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seriously! darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 04:55:43 PM 1043 Views
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Then there would be some mention of it, yes/ fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:56:10 PM 953 Views
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This is a flawed list Sidious - 11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM 937 Views
and you are just rationalizing to make your point seem plausible darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 03:10:12 PM 1052 Views
another point about Talents (unrelated to the Strength question) darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 06:06:42 PM 1145 Views
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