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Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM

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Elayne doesn't matter, it's about what Terez said about her. .

As far as I know, all she's said is:
Egwene had reached her full potential by the end. Elayne, Aviendha and Nynaeve had not. One very old Aes Sedai also had not (an exception).

And:


Some might have argued that Elayne and Nynaeve reached it by the end, but they weren't really even close. Nynaeve was closer.

These are the statements you mean, correct? The only other relevant point is her talking about Nynaeve not reaching her potential despite the Cleansing:


Agreed on that point. I guess one all-day workout—even if that is an understatement—isn't quite the same as a daily routine.

To me, this raises the interesting point: forcing happens when you continuously use nearly as much of the OP as you can handle. This makes you reach your potential faster. Does it follow that if you rarely hold the full amount of OP you can, you will reach your potential very slowly?

A strong Aes Sedai who doesn't go about adventuring perhaps won't have to hold all the OP they can very often. Their daily tasks will need very little of the OP, which would be less than what they can hold. Is this the reason for someone not reaching their potential?


It can lead you to make a simple logical deduction. That deduction, in the light of information from the series about Aes Sedai could lead you to one of the reasons why a potential may never be reached.

We know from the books that some Aes Sedai rarely leave the Tower. A Brown, or even one of the other Ajah that is primarily an administrator, may rarely use the OP much, and certainly not all they can. Am I close?
It's not very straight forward as far as clues go (even Terez wondered where I was going with that until I explained it). Once you make the right observation, you need to make a few more deductions. It's logical ones, though.

Hope I get there before the encyclopedia...





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One Power strength: New information from RJ's notes fionwe1987 - 01/05/2014 11:39:32 PM 4462 Views
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Bringing it all together... Shannow - 02/05/2014 10:34:12 AM 1813 Views
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How that CAN be interpreted however, is... Shannow - 02/05/2014 03:38:38 PM 1545 Views
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Here are some key flaws, unfortunately... Shannow - 02/05/2014 07:56:53 PM 1453 Views
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Re: Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:59:45 PM 1503 Views
Who said the Tower picked weaker channelers? There's an interesting Egwene quote... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:13:08 PM 1544 Views
Not totally accurate darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 11:15:30 PM 1416 Views
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Re: Not totally accurate darius_sedai - 06/06/2015 03:48:34 PM 1401 Views
Re: How that CAN be interpreted however, is... DomA - 02/05/2014 09:39:06 PM 1712 Views
Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:57:37 PM 1597 Views
Ahh, the Rand with Egwene and Elayne scene... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:19:05 PM 1810 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. DomA - 02/05/2014 10:45:12 PM 1654 Views
About that... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:48:18 PM 1489 Views
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Re: About that... darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 03:07:22 AM 1397 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 03:16:50 PM 1646 Views
Thanks a ton for that Dom... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:24:02 PM 1525 Views
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Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 11:36:55 PM 1596 Views
More on Aiel learners Terez - 03/05/2014 12:46:19 AM 1585 Views
Interesting. fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:32:23 AM 1491 Views
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Oh... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:35:08 AM 1519 Views
Re: Oh... DomA - 03/05/2014 04:29:34 AM 2070 Views
Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? fionwe1987 - 07/05/2014 01:31:54 AM 1598 Views
Re: Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? DomA - 07/05/2014 02:59:42 AM 1738 Views
Thanks Dom, I'm genuinely puzzled, though... Shannow - 07/05/2014 09:04:08 AM 1629 Views
Some things to consider... fionwe1987 - 07/05/2014 11:22:46 PM 1458 Views
Re: Some things to consider... darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 03:32:22 AM 1392 Views
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his power level? mogi67 - 02/05/2014 04:38:59 PM 1489 Views
mmm, Vegeta *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 08:32:36 AM 992 Views
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Is there any reference whatsoever about strength multiples? Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:34:50 PM 1647 Views
I will let you know if I see something like that... Terez - 02/05/2014 10:20:46 PM 1513 Views
Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle Shannow - 03/05/2014 11:04:31 PM 1620 Views
Re: Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle DomA - 04/05/2014 06:16:52 AM 1644 Views
Interesting... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2014 08:14:19 AM 1674 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 05/05/2014 04:08:41 PM 1586 Views
LOL! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 09:46:11 PM 1665 Views
More info on Sorilea Terez - 02/05/2014 10:04:50 PM 1795 Views
This is great! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:23:31 PM 1713 Views
In the original he might have kissed her. Terez - 03/05/2014 12:49:53 AM 1575 Views
Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. MonCul - 05/05/2014 02:53:00 PM 1790 Views
Re: Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. DomA - 05/05/2014 04:25:18 PM 1556 Views
Easy answer Terez - 10/05/2014 02:49:53 PM 1523 Views
Can't argue with that! MonCul - 18/05/2014 12:31:01 AM 1660 Views
Therava/Galina Terez - 10/05/2014 02:58:09 PM 2123 Views
Came across one of the oldest strength lists I'd seen... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:46:29 PM 1592 Views
#10 seems weird. An Aes Sedai who never reached her full potential? beetnemesis - 03/05/2014 06:43:41 PM 1744 Views
Not weird. There is a good reason. Terez - 03/05/2014 09:30:40 PM 1733 Views
One question... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 09:44:35 PM 1672 Views
yes to both *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 10:49:29 PM 1054 Views
Suian? MikeyMikeyMikey - 04/05/2014 04:50:32 PM 1643 Views
I see why you think that, but by the way Aes Sedai judge people on strength, I doubt it beetnemesis - 09/05/2014 03:48:21 PM 1399 Views
Does not meet the criteria I gave. *NM* Terez - 10/05/2014 05:23:27 AM 943 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Dirty - 11/05/2014 05:49:31 AM 1561 Views
Not someone who was severed, burned out, or anything like that. *NM* Terez - 11/05/2014 01:27:28 PM 967 Views
Did she join the Aes Sedai especially early or late in life? beetnemesis - 11/05/2014 01:47:27 PM 1575 Views
no... Terez - 11/05/2014 04:27:07 PM 1449 Views
Wild guess... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2014 06:51:27 PM 1495 Views
One of Terez's criteria DomA - 11/05/2014 09:24:57 PM 1455 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 08:51:33 AM 1451 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 13/05/2014 06:14:12 PM 1633 Views
Even I don't know what Dom is talking about. *NM* Terez - 13/05/2014 06:24:23 PM 943 Views
Does it have anything to do with the Sharans? fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:35:45 PM 1506 Views
no Terez - 14/05/2014 07:52:27 AM 1533 Views
Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... Shannow - 13/05/2014 09:26:02 PM 1558 Views
Kiruna... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:34:32 PM 1475 Views
Re: Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... DomA - 14/05/2014 03:16:24 AM 1600 Views
Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:38:05 PM 1400 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 14/05/2014 04:09:42 AM 1486 Views
Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM 1553 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? Terez - 14/05/2014 07:55:20 AM 1520 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 08:14:05 AM 1456 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 15/05/2014 03:59:02 AM 1591 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 16/05/2014 04:06:02 PM 1453 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 17/05/2014 03:01:25 AM 1567 Views
Perhaps Romanda? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 04:22:31 PM 1602 Views
Re: Perhaps Romanda? darius_sedai - 05/06/2015 08:39:31 PM 1268 Views
Re: Wild guess... Terez - 12/05/2014 05:33:53 AM 1560 Views
Just tell them it is Satelle Anan, or one of those women who got burned out early in life... Shannow - 12/05/2014 11:59:06 AM 1628 Views
Have you even read my subject lines? :p *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 01:05:47 PM 939 Views
Alternatively, someone who went to live in Far Madding... Shannow - 12/05/2014 12:08:07 PM 1535 Views
That was one of my guesses... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 04:57:56 PM 1338 Views
Redirect to my initial "Not weird" post. *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 06:59:02 PM 949 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:23:13 AM 1469 Views
Lots of no *NM* Terez - 20/05/2014 02:30:25 AM 958 Views
You're killing me. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:55:21 AM 1463 Views
I won't just tell you :p But... Terez - 20/05/2014 10:31:27 AM 1565 Views
Wild speculation Zalvera - 20/05/2014 01:39:52 PM 1467 Views
Could it be Verin who always used her angreal? Shannow - 20/05/2014 02:07:30 PM 1459 Views
Hmmm Zalvera - 20/05/2014 03:37:57 PM 1470 Views
Well, I'm not saying she did it to appear weaker... Shannow - 20/05/2014 03:48:10 PM 1374 Views
The buffer Zalvera - 20/05/2014 04:10:58 PM 1485 Views
I doubt using an angreal means you don't progress in natural strength beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:02:00 PM 1659 Views
Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 20/05/2014 11:53:11 PM 1515 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 21/05/2014 01:55:15 AM 1448 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 22/05/2014 02:33:30 AM 1517 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 22/05/2014 05:04:00 AM 1581 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 05:12:48 AM 1428 Views
While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Shannow - 22/05/2014 08:49:02 AM 1439 Views
Re: While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Zalvera - 22/05/2014 12:03:02 PM 1336 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 22/05/2014 11:55:38 AM 1430 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 24/05/2014 02:07:01 AM 1478 Views
I didn't say that Terez - 24/05/2014 11:24:30 PM 1520 Views
Re: I didn't say that DomA - 25/05/2014 02:32:46 PM 1491 Views
did she deliberately keep her growth slow? A small theory too darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 11:54:28 PM 1411 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 05:49:42 PM 1642 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 06:05:28 PM 1354 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 06:23:28 PM 1617 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 08:37:20 PM 1308 Views
I think this will be in the Encyclopedia, so... Terez - 10/06/2015 03:06:42 PM 1456 Views
you are such a tease *NM* darius_sedai - 10/06/2015 09:05:10 PM 784 Views
Why doesn't someone... Terez - 24/05/2014 11:25:51 PM 1655 Views
Favourite part about this post... Duke - 12/05/2014 07:12:51 AM 1668 Views
With regard to #10- does it involve the Oath Rod, in some way? beetnemesis - 15/05/2014 02:53:45 PM 1479 Views
no *NM* Terez - 15/05/2014 07:16:16 PM 921 Views
Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 01:32:04 PM 1544 Views
Re: Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! DomA - 17/05/2014 08:45:59 PM 1583 Views
An Aes Sedai who was sent away from the Tower? beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 10:01:44 PM 1586 Views
Again, no reason to think this Aes Sedai did not channel often. *NM* Terez - 18/05/2014 04:32:06 AM 954 Views
Did the Aes Sedai live in relative seclusion, did she have a Warder, and did that Warder die? *NM* beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:03:04 PM 1067 Views
Too specific Terez - 20/05/2014 11:51:25 PM 1524 Views
Re: Too specific Dirty - 21/05/2014 05:32:32 AM 1435 Views
You think THAT isn't specific? *NM* fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 02:41:53 AM 967 Views
It's a fine mess that no one can work out Sidious - 09/06/2014 09:20:56 AM 1669 Views
Re: It's a fine mess that no one can work out RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 08:48:20 PM 1690 Views
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