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Re: Does the Dark One really want to break free? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 19/11/2013 06:42:31 AM

View original postWith the trading of potential futures at the end, Rand was horrified by his own vision of a world without evil, but you would think a world without good could be just as horrifying to the Dark One.

Why would you believe this? Rand wasn't horrified so much by a world without evil as by the notion that the Elayne who exists in a world without evil wouldn't be the same person as the Elayne who exists in a world with evil.

But even so, Rand himself is a construct of a world that knows evil. A world without evil is completely different from what he knows or desires. But Shai'tan would be perfectly happy with the annihilation or corruption of existence because that is his nature. The only problem is that when he has corrupted or destroyed everything, there will be nothing left for him to destroy or corrupt, but then that's why the Creator exists. It is the Creator's nature to create just as it is Shai'tan's nature to destroy. One cannot exist without the other. Creation without destruction is simultaneously stagnant and ephemeral. Cestruction without Creation is inevitably self-destructive.

Or that's Robert Jordan's theodicy, anyway.


View original postHe doesn't seem to be particularly upset about his imprisonment, and for beings like the Dark One and the Creator, you wonder how much physical imprisonment would actually do to them, when they are almost creatures of thought.

Lord of Chaos states pretty much the exact opposite:

EVEN I CANNOT STEP OUTSIDE OF TIME. For an instant terrible anger filled that awful voice, and-could it be frustration?
Lord of Chaos, The First Message.


View original postThe Dark One could be creation of the Creator

No. Shai'tan and the Creator are equal and opposite halves. This is largely the point of the final confrontation - Shai'tan cannot be removed from Creation without destroying it anymore than the Creator could. Even if he is removed, he, the Destroyer still wins because Creation has been fundamentally corrupted.


View original postMy apologies for the length of this post, I can't seem to be able to keep these things short

No problem, happy to read it.

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