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Re: Was her not death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? gban007 Send a noteboard - 19/11/2013 02:25:14 AM

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View original postthat he would have to sacrifice his life (even if in the end he didn't have to) to save the world,

Personally that's kind of missing the point of what drove him to the mountain, and what he had to come to peace with, at the end of TGS.

It wasn't "I'm going to die" it was "I'm going to die... And it wont change anything. I'll just be reborn to do it all over again, and again, and again.".

Honestly, Rand was one of the few, if not only, Third Ager who actual seemed to "get" what "The Lord Dragon Reborn" actually meant.

For everyone else their was at least a "chance" of a "happily ever after", and that their soul might be reborn in more peaceful times, but for Rand? It's always going to be "The End Of The World".

...Honestly, I always found it odd how no one seemed to get that when talking to him about TG. Like they thought the whole "born to fight the Dark One" was just a two time job for him.


I agree, my response to Joel was more around the Christ like comparison, which didn't relate so much to being called back to the Pattern again and again to confront the Dark One.

I get the impression that for most characters, they almost pay lip service to the idea of the Wheel, and Ages coming and going, without thinking through the consequences.

Harid Fel potentially understood what it meant, as he had a better idea of the Wheel itself, and that the Second Age would come around again, with the Dark One completely sealed away, but Rand's initial response to Harid Fel, before he thought it through, was I think reflective of most people's view, seemingly that these Ages haven't really happened before.

Even from the Second Agers, many didn't seem to really think it through, even the Forsaken, outside of Ishamael (who I think had as good an idea as Rand did in the end, just took the negative view of having to be called back again and again), seemed to think that the Dark One really would break free, even though there have all those Second and Third Ages in the past where he hasn't succeeded.

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I Would Like It Noted for the Record I Was Right on Egwenes Fate/Progression; Twice, Actually Joel - 28/08/2013 11:41:11 PM 2212 Views
And I was wrong ßelals Girl - 29/08/2013 05:41:36 AM 1127 Views
I read somewhere one should hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Joel - 29/08/2013 10:18:18 AM 1239 Views
Gawyn matured? Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2013 05:05:11 AM 1008 Views
Yes; he grew beyond "I can ignore the rules and everyone must obey me because I know best." Joel - 30/08/2013 06:18:22 AM 1173 Views
Because that's clearly Egwene's job, and there wasn't room for two of them in that relationship *NM* ßelals Girl - 30/08/2013 02:01:53 PM 534 Views
Essentially; maybe he did not so much mature as bow to the absurd. Joel - 30/08/2013 03:35:51 PM 1045 Views
That was never an issue. Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2013 05:19:43 PM 1278 Views
I cannot decide whether I agree or not. Joel - 02/09/2013 05:47:39 AM 1160 Views
And his character...development, for lack of a better word...in ToM appeared forgotten in aMoL Cannoli - 05/09/2013 01:01:06 AM 1119 Views
Maybe death was a release from having to carry self-important harridans on their quests for power Cannoli - 05/09/2013 01:10:41 AM 1155 Views
Maybe Joel - 05/09/2013 01:39:10 AM 1102 Views
That's one opinion... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2013 06:06:15 PM 1089 Views
Her death is a matter of fact, or fictional fact anyway. Joel - 04/09/2013 09:25:30 PM 1067 Views
That wasn't what you predicted, though... fionwe1987 - 05/09/2013 02:49:06 AM 1033 Views
Was her death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? Joel - 05/09/2013 04:02:09 AM 1017 Views
Re: Was her not death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? gban007 - 08/09/2013 05:14:32 AM 1448 Views
Re: Was her not death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? Dunstan - 17/11/2013 02:36:21 PM 1169 Views
Re: Was her not death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? gban007 - 19/11/2013 02:25:14 AM 1035 Views
Wow, you predicted a plot progression in a predictable and completely worthless series of books. Tom - 05/09/2013 04:08:38 AM 1008 Views
Doubtless his middle school English teacher would be proud. *NM* Larry - 05/09/2013 04:11:12 AM 975 Views
Hey, c'mon, without the The Wheel of Time ya'll could not be here gracing us with your erudition. Joel - 05/09/2013 04:41:46 AM 987 Views
Y'all, Texan, y'all. Not a badly constructed contraction of "you will". Sheesh. Larry - 05/09/2013 05:01:19 AM 1453 Views
Numerous sources attest to "ya'll" in both Faulkner and Hemingway. Joel - 05/09/2013 05:36:31 AM 1111 Views
Yes, and Faulkner in particular was known for his non-orthodox orthography Larry - 05/09/2013 07:17:47 AM 1566 Views
"Non-orthodox" is a somewhat unorthodox spelling as well; does that invalidate it? Joel - 05/09/2013 11:05:57 PM 1529 Views
No, that was a late night spelling mistake - unorthodox is what I meant Larry - 07/09/2013 08:42:12 AM 1733 Views
It is not worthless, and that particular progression was not predictable enough for anyone else. Joel - 05/09/2013 04:34:11 AM 1019 Views
I recall not caring about camps, or Jordan generally. Tom - 05/09/2013 03:06:43 PM 977 Views
Yet here we are. Joel - 05/09/2013 10:56:31 PM 1148 Views
I just check this board in hopes there will be an announcement that it will be closed. *NM* Tom - 07/09/2013 02:16:12 AM 495 Views
Same here, except it applies to the rest of the site as well. *NM* Larry - 07/09/2013 08:42:41 AM 856 Views
Pretty edgy for a Bush League Pedant. Dan - 14/09/2013 02:04:32 PM 1235 Views
Nah, I cannot quite be the asshole to your santorum, alas! Larry - 14/09/2013 06:02:41 PM 1524 Views
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