Active Users:1192 Time:22/11/2024 08:45:37 AM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
And his character...development, for lack of a better word...in ToM appeared forgotten in aMoL Cannoli Send a noteboard - 05/09/2013 01:01:06 AM

View original post
Gawyn was ever unwilling to settle on a course. If he'd just decided to join Elaida because Siuan was foolishly risking Elayne's life and to get revenge against the Dragon Reborn for murdering his mother and conquering his country, then at least I could respect him for being faithful to his cause. But the truth is, he was never that. I probably should have seen it from the beginning, what with him letting Siuan go and betraying his cause for Egwene, or his absence from the Succession War storyline, but the later books have made it bloody obvious.

He betrays his cause and his Younglings because he doesn't feel he belongs there anymore and goes of to join the Rebel Aes Sedai, then he feels he shouldn't be following their orders and goes off to save Egwene, then he decides serving Egwene isn't everything he always wanted so he runs back home to Andor - after Elayne has already resolved the crisis there - then figures 'no wait, maybe my place is with Egwene after all!' for a while before deciding, no, his place is martyring himself to kill Demandred!

Gawyn is all rash decisions and no commitment, and this is something that comes to be most obvious in the latest books.


In ToM he made the rash decision to stop hating and envying Rand (that latter one I never saw, despite my negativity towards him, and caused me to raise an eyebrow when Elayne pulled that psych diagnosis out of him), but then he has to make it all over again and finally let go of his hatred and envy of Rand in aMoL. I mean, when Sanderson had Nakomi come out of nowhere to drag Aviendha inch by inch to a realization she herself had already articulated as far back as tFoH, I could write that off to Sanderson's deplorable reading comprehension skills. But it seems a bit much to claim he missed/forgot a development in a book he himself had written just a year before. If we put in a pattern with Gawyn's other flickering commitments and choices, however...

Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Reply to message
I Would Like It Noted for the Record I Was Right on Egwenes Fate/Progression; Twice, Actually Joel - 28/08/2013 11:41:11 PM 2195 Views
And I was wrong ßelals Girl - 29/08/2013 05:41:36 AM 1112 Views
I read somewhere one should hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Joel - 29/08/2013 10:18:18 AM 1224 Views
Gawyn matured? Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2013 05:05:11 AM 995 Views
Yes; he grew beyond "I can ignore the rules and everyone must obey me because I know best." Joel - 30/08/2013 06:18:22 AM 1162 Views
Because that's clearly Egwene's job, and there wasn't room for two of them in that relationship *NM* ßelals Girl - 30/08/2013 02:01:53 PM 530 Views
Essentially; maybe he did not so much mature as bow to the absurd. Joel - 30/08/2013 03:35:51 PM 1032 Views
That was never an issue. Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2013 05:19:43 PM 1263 Views
I cannot decide whether I agree or not. Joel - 02/09/2013 05:47:39 AM 1148 Views
And his character...development, for lack of a better word...in ToM appeared forgotten in aMoL Cannoli - 05/09/2013 01:01:06 AM 1108 Views
Maybe death was a release from having to carry self-important harridans on their quests for power Cannoli - 05/09/2013 01:10:41 AM 1143 Views
Maybe Joel - 05/09/2013 01:39:10 AM 1089 Views
That's one opinion... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2013 06:06:15 PM 1080 Views
Her death is a matter of fact, or fictional fact anyway. Joel - 04/09/2013 09:25:30 PM 1050 Views
That wasn't what you predicted, though... fionwe1987 - 05/09/2013 02:49:06 AM 1021 Views
Was her death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? Joel - 05/09/2013 04:02:09 AM 1003 Views
Re: Was her not death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? gban007 - 08/09/2013 05:14:32 AM 1430 Views
Re: Was her not death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? Dunstan - 17/11/2013 02:36:21 PM 1155 Views
Re: Was her not death not redemptive? Did she not admit Rand was right about the Seals? gban007 - 19/11/2013 02:25:14 AM 1017 Views
Wow, you predicted a plot progression in a predictable and completely worthless series of books. Tom - 05/09/2013 04:08:38 AM 996 Views
Doubtless his middle school English teacher would be proud. *NM* Larry - 05/09/2013 04:11:12 AM 970 Views
Hey, c'mon, without the The Wheel of Time ya'll could not be here gracing us with your erudition. Joel - 05/09/2013 04:41:46 AM 966 Views
Y'all, Texan, y'all. Not a badly constructed contraction of "you will". Sheesh. Larry - 05/09/2013 05:01:19 AM 1440 Views
Numerous sources attest to "ya'll" in both Faulkner and Hemingway. Joel - 05/09/2013 05:36:31 AM 1097 Views
Yes, and Faulkner in particular was known for his non-orthodox orthography Larry - 05/09/2013 07:17:47 AM 1555 Views
"Non-orthodox" is a somewhat unorthodox spelling as well; does that invalidate it? Joel - 05/09/2013 11:05:57 PM 1514 Views
No, that was a late night spelling mistake - unorthodox is what I meant Larry - 07/09/2013 08:42:12 AM 1723 Views
It is not worthless, and that particular progression was not predictable enough for anyone else. Joel - 05/09/2013 04:34:11 AM 1012 Views
I recall not caring about camps, or Jordan generally. Tom - 05/09/2013 03:06:43 PM 965 Views
Yet here we are. Joel - 05/09/2013 10:56:31 PM 1137 Views
I just check this board in hopes there will be an announcement that it will be closed. *NM* Tom - 07/09/2013 02:16:12 AM 490 Views
Same here, except it applies to the rest of the site as well. *NM* Larry - 07/09/2013 08:42:41 AM 850 Views
Pretty edgy for a Bush League Pedant. Dan - 14/09/2013 02:04:32 PM 1222 Views
Nah, I cannot quite be the asshole to your santorum, alas! Larry - 14/09/2013 06:02:41 PM 1513 Views
Ha! Dan - 22/09/2013 02:25:18 AM 1103 Views
Re: I Would Like It Noted for the Record I Was Right on Egwenes Fate/Progression; Twice, Actually RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/10/2013 05:03:59 PM 1093 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes