Channelers physically burn out when they exceed their limits. That's the proof.
Shannow Send a noteboard - 31/01/2013 01:52:50 PM
While I agree that Rand's ability is an evolutionary next step in *human* use of the OP, I don't agree with you on why that is. I think the possibility has been there all along, but it took Rand's journey and enlightenment to discover it. I don't think it's simply because he's now been "knighted" by the Creator for being such a swell guy, or whatever.
There are clear limits defined by the culture of channeling, which every POV character believes are hard limits. This may or may not necessarily mean that these beliefs are true in all situations. Since we don't have an omniscient narrator anywhere in the WoT, we can't say for certain.
I disagree that simple death is equivalent to the death of one's entire world, their potential of reincarnation, and that of all of their neighbors and children. I think it's very feasible that a Light-side channeler at Shayol Gul during the Last Battle could be more stressed than Aginor at the EotW.
The "rules" have only been told to us by the characters, throughout. We don't really know what they are. What Rand did violates all of those rules, and RJ wrote that. There are also other phenomenon in Randland that RJ wrote that don't mesh with the OP, like Elyas. The POV characters write this off as "not being a thing of the OP" because it doesn't mesh, but that doesn't mean they're correct. That's the loophole you end up with when all of your narrative comes from POV characters.
There are clear limits defined by the culture of channeling, which every POV character believes are hard limits. This may or may not necessarily mean that these beliefs are true in all situations. Since we don't have an omniscient narrator anywhere in the WoT, we can't say for certain.
I disagree that simple death is equivalent to the death of one's entire world, their potential of reincarnation, and that of all of their neighbors and children. I think it's very feasible that a Light-side channeler at Shayol Gul during the Last Battle could be more stressed than Aginor at the EotW.
The "rules" have only been told to us by the characters, throughout. We don't really know what they are. What Rand did violates all of those rules, and RJ wrote that. There are also other phenomenon in Randland that RJ wrote that don't mesh with the OP, like Elyas. The POV characters write this off as "not being a thing of the OP" because it doesn't mesh, but that doesn't mean they're correct. That's the loophole you end up with when all of your narrative comes from POV characters.
For thousands of years, in all the different channeling cultures that have no connecdtion with one another, including wilders that have had NO training, the facts have been simple: Exceed your maximum potential, and you burn yourself out - often killing yourself in the process.
No one taught all these different channeler groups to believe that. It simply occurred in the same way that if you fall off a 100m cliff you die when you hit the ground.
It is a physical reality.
No doubt many wilders believed themselves to be far more powerful than they actually were. This belief didn't stop them from burning out when they exceeded their limit.
Willpower and belief have nothing to do with it. Your limit is your limit.
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31/01/2013 08:57:24 AM
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31/01/2013 01:28:07 PM
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That is utterly incorrect. Rand's case is an evolutionary next step which doesn't apply in general..
31/01/2013 01:42:09 PM
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Sorry, but it's not utterly incorrect. You can no more disprove it than I can prove it
31/01/2013 01:49:11 PM
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Channelers physically burn out when they exceed their limits. That's the proof.
31/01/2013 01:52:50 PM
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31/01/2013 01:58:17 PM
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Sorry. But that is simply an escape clause for Sanderson to change whatever rules he wants...
31/01/2013 01:59:29 PM
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31/01/2013 02:11:26 PM
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No, he did a crap job
31/01/2013 02:19:18 PM
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31/01/2013 02:20:33 PM
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Your level of satisfaction will inversely correlate to your depth of understanding of the nuances...
31/01/2013 02:24:09 PM
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LMAO
31/01/2013 02:46:11 PM
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As to that...
31/01/2013 02:55:14 PM
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Primilary because I don't necessarily see it as an inconsistency in the way that you do
31/01/2013 02:58:45 PM
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Also the number of times Forsaken level channelers flung protagonists around with "Air weaves"...
31/01/2013 02:18:05 PM
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