I think your number is wrong there, but I also don't see any of it diminishing the premise
Isaac Send a noteboard - 23/01/2013 10:59:35 PM
Be'lal was a lawyer who switched to the Shadow before Demandred (who was the last meaningful close ally of LTT to do so, mid-war), and we know Callandor was built late in the WOS when the industrial capabilities had already been seriously undermined. This isn't some AS corrupted knowledge, the explanation comes from a Jordan Q&A.
I don't think that makes much difference, I wans't implying Be'lal wasn't aligned - openly or secretly - with the shadow at the time, just that he might have been involved or aware of the operation.
It seems unlikely Be'lal had any aptitude with *angreal, or he would have made a career of that.
Advocate may have paid better, in terms of cash or social standing. In fact it almost certainly did for him as he was very famous, he might have been a great advocate and a so-so craftsmen, but again I'm not suggesting he was an open member of the project. Assuming the shadow was responsible for tampering with the sword - which admittedly isn't certain - someone had to run the op and they need not have necessarily known much about making power objects. The director of the CIA doesn't need to know how to build a satellite to use the intel. Still he might have done it himself without being an expert at making angreal, Be'lal could have been the equivalent of a patents lawyer for Objects of the power and known just enough to tamper. We don't really know what needed 'advocacy' in the AoL but I'm thinking they didn't have wads of murders and thefts for him to be the Johnny Cochrane of the AoL. 'Advocate' might indicate spokesmen/consultant for those trying to get support to build major projects like san'angreal.
We don't have much to go by... san'angreal seem to be a more complex form of angreal. They quite possibly start from a Seed too, perhaps require a circle where an angreal is made by a single person, weakening his/her ability for months. Going from RJ's partial clues, the making of a san'angreal also require some more hi-tech procedure than filling a Seed for months, one for which the AS barely had the capabilities by the end of the war.
I'm personally of the opinion that the nominal prefix is just an arbitrary or semi-arbitrary designator along the lines of 'big', maybe angreal require a circle of 13 or less and the big ones a 14+ circle? In any event it was obviously a major project but sabotage might have been minor, literally something as small as channeling a trickle of TP into it in the building stage or having an agent dump some liquid TP on the thing akin to the Eye of the World.
It seems likely one of the Chosen managed to sabotage Callandor during its making, but there's no good reason to believe it was Be'lal and not a specialist of *angreal whose little secret died with him without any of the thirteen ever learning of it. There were literally hundreds of thousand Chosen in the AOL - half the Aes Sedai had joined their ranks.
I don't really accept the wads of Chosen thing, and yeah I know RJ said it and I certainly accept there were tons of evil channelers but it contradicts the entire concept of the Forsaken being a nasty nickname for those who call themselves the Chosen. The forsaken were the elite, or no one would care that 13 of them were trapped there in the first place and in Rand's tSR rememberings as Tomada the soldier wouldn't say "... Something is disrupting communications, but the report is the Bore has been sealed, with most of the Forsaken on the other side. Maybe all of them.”. The Forsaken were specific people during the AoL and I think it is weird they'd revel in the title of 'chosen' when there's hundreds of thousands with it, nor freak out that Taim got it, if it were literally synonymous to darkfriend channeler from the AoL, it doesn't really fit. But that doesn't really matter too much because the 13 known Forsaken, and maybe a handful of others, told the other hundred thousand 'chosen' and their non-channeler followers what to do, they were the big bads and while it isn't a given one of them would know about a major sabotage, especially if the saboteur was doing it on their own initiative, I think it is quite plausible one of them would.
47 Chosen were ever given "officially" the use of the True Power, at least as far as Moghedien knows. That doesn't count for much when you know tons more Chosen might have been granted the same secretly by the DO, for all we know.
The value Moghedien says to Moridin is 29, and that's a freakishly accurate number "Only twenty-nine others have ever been granted—" she says, not "I know of" or "Roughly". There may have been others but my impression is that access to it is considered both and honor and a safeguard, the DO equivalent of appointing someone to a very senior officer and giving them a secret service detail for 'your protection, totally not to also keep an eye on you', and I also subscribe to the limited TP option or he'd give it to every channeler or a lot more. Now Moghedien might lie casually but I think she's relaying information to the reader there, and she'd have no reason to lie in that particular fashion when 'very few have been given' would work too. Whichever the case, the number is still small and while the DO might have given someone access in secret and just for that purpose I don't see that as more plausible than Be'lal knowing some or all of Callandor's issues.
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This message last edited by Isaac on 23/01/2013 at 11:03:36 PM
Be'lal and Callandor?
23/01/2013 07:09:03 PM
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Unlikely....
23/01/2013 08:29:59 PM
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I think your number is wrong there, but I also don't see any of it diminishing the premise
23/01/2013 10:59:35 PM
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Re: I think your number is wrong there, but I also don't see any of it diminishing the premise
23/01/2013 11:20:18 PM
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True, but it is also true that only 29 of the millions of Forsaken ever used the TP
23/01/2013 11:47:00 PM
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You seem to be avoiding the actual matter at hand
24/01/2013 12:46:08 AM
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I thought it was deliberately made flawed for the very purpose for which it was used *NM*
24/01/2013 12:29:45 AM
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