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Just off color Nargs Send a noteboard - 19/01/2013 10:03:58 PM
I do not buy that regardless though; her dad never plays those kinds of juvenile manipulative games with Rand. I would say she behaves like a spoiled teenager, but the simile is ruined by her being literally rather than figuratively just that.

Her father is not a female in that culture. So many of her POVs refer to her culture as the reason for her behavior.


"There was nothing to be done" is a CLASSIC attempted excuse for passively and silently watching tragedies unfold. We can never be sure nothing she did could have prevented it because "nothing" is all she attempted. I might cut her some slack for trying and failing, but NOT trying and failing is inexcusable.
Had she jumped in and tried to stop him - that would not have been believable. Imagine the emotions and shock and disbelief running through her at that moment. I cannot fault her for freezing. Maybe you can.

Going south would have taken longer, but at least would not have been marching up to the DOs doorstep and hoping an ally found her instead of him or his Shadowspawn legions.
Thats the point! It would have taken longer. She fails. She knew that.

Oh, gee, marching the Horn of Valere straight toward Shayol Ghul during Tarmon Gaidon got me captured by Shadowspawn; gee, who could have foreseen THAT? :rolleyes:
She didn't get captured on her way to Shayol Ghul.

No, she did NOT "happen[] upon a situation that would allow them to get back immediately," and the proof is that THEY DID NOT; when Perrin found her under a pile of bodies later she was still in the middle of Shayol Ghul.
You have it all wrong. (Page 752,753 - Faile ended up at Merrilor) & (Page 902 - Perrin found her at Merrilor) Maybe you should reread the book... a little slower.

Taking warhorses to a warzone is not exactly attention getting. Neither is a courier taking a racehorse. Taking Bela only makes sense for the reason I said: Greater carrying capacity and endurance. Still, a bred military packhorse would have been far better, and a pack animal in a baggage train is as pedestrian as it gets.
Wow. No response.

Yes, because that is the ONLY circumstance under which a ta'veren wife might need to make a fast getaway while carrying the Horn of Valere to ANOTHER ta'veren during Tarmon Gaidon. But then, Faile does not seem familiar with the better and more discrete part of valor; often, that is precisely her problem.
You know what? I am done.... no more.
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