True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom.
Joel Send a noteboard - 16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM
No one had even seen trollocs for centuries there and all of a sudden they appeared. You'd have to be brain damaged not to trust the Aes Sedai (recognized as powerful channelers) and get the Hell out of Emond's Field. It would be like having jihadis show up in the Midwest and start trying to kill you, and a CIA team says they're you're only hope of survival because the jihadis think you insulted the Prophet.
That analogy works a little better as some rural enclave in Alabama, where the local survivalists insist they saw black helicopters scouting for the jihadis.
Many of the main characters' choices were far from cut and dried, but so long as they made the "right" one they suffered few significantly bad consequences, and I still believe that denied them developmental opportunities more than the choices themselves did. The end of Perrins arc is a good example: Faced with a choice between defending Rand or rescuing Faile or Rand he finally makes the right for the right reasons, even at the cost of his wife. That could have been a great chance for him to learn the value of great personal sacrifice, deciding WHICH loss to suffer rather than WHETHER to suffer any, how to accept and cope with what he had to give up to do his duty, save the world and stay alive.
Yet in the end, though he NEARLY loses Faile, he plays the faithful sidekick AND gets the girl. No one dies except the unappreciated (but far more faithful) pony thrown in (apparently) for no reason but to be very appealing so readers get very attached and the authors can twist a knife in them with her vicious killing.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now
14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM
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Faile made Perrin less interesting
14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM
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She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it.
14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM
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I skipped those chapters during my re-read
14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM
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I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD.
15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM
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Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it.
15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM
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You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters.
15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM
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There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better.
15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM
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Though I too have wished for them to make really hard choices...
15/01/2013 09:37:34 AM
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But they DO make hard choices; they just face relatively few hard consequences.
15/01/2013 10:08:19 AM
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Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others
15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM
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Mostly it's because it's clear in RJ's eyes that doing something like the things you suggest is wron
15/01/2013 12:41:03 PM
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You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM*
15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM
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We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die
15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM
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Joel, I just said I disagreed with you. I didn't want to debate this series for the sake of debate. *NM*
15/01/2013 05:43:55 PM
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Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice?
15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM
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Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too.
15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM
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And a trolloc attack
16/01/2013 02:28:00 PM
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True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom.
16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM
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Jordan said he put some of himself in all the ta'veren, but its clearly strongest with Perrin.
15/01/2013 06:27:10 AM
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I'm glad you have seen the Truth.
14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM
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It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose.
14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM
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I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly.
14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM
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In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela
14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM
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I think she fed her an apple once in TV or somewhere, too, but otherwise she ignored her.
15/01/2013 06:12:26 AM
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Dramatic much? Bella lived a good life in TV and later in Salidar
20/01/2013 12:54:15 AM
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Actually, I never understood why people LOVE that horse so much. She is just a horse! *NM*
15/01/2013 07:52:29 AM
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Pony. She is a pony. A loyal, goodnatured, overperforming and underappreciated pony.
15/01/2013 08:32:21 AM
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honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered?
20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM
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The whole series is based upon the love of Bela and Narg and her struggle to come to terms with his
16/01/2013 04:01:59 AM
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The real problem
15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM
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Faile will surely domineer someone into pulling Tams carts for him.
15/01/2013 03:04:35 PM
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The women in WoT are monsters
15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM
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I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic.
15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM
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I agree completely...
15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM
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Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power
20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM
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Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series
20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM
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Tell me then...
18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM
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That's a fallacious question
18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM
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Are you saying...
18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM
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That is a pathetic answer.
19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM
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You're a pathetic ass
19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM
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LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM*
19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM
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Oh, gosh, this could take a while.
18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM
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How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death?
19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM
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Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped
19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM
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Her kidnapping...
19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM
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I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way. )
19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM
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No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped
20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM
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Wow...
19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM
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