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I disagree somewhat... gban007 Send a noteboard - 16/01/2013 08:54:09 AM
Moridin as Ishmael at least was pretty successful in driving the course of history over 3000 years towards the Dark One's goals, helping the overall countries slowly deteriorate, and have Hawkwing's descendants return just at the wrong time for the forces of light.

Once Rand and company started becoming player on the chess board it became more difficult, as he was fighting their Ta'veren natures and the wheel / pattern more at that point.

Regarding being duped, in a previous post I mentioned that he didn't realise the Dark One's end goal, but thinking on it more, Moridin's goal was for oblivion, to not be reborn again and again to fight the champion of light (as I believe he is fated to do), and so I think deep down he probably knew that the Dark One wouldn't let him go, even if successful in breaking free, but it was his only hope for oblivion (outside perhaps of Balefire, but I suspect that the likes of Rand, Moridin and the Heroes of the Horn likely can't be truly Balefired).

Regarding Graendal, she was pretty effective compared to the other forsaken when it came to the various subplots of the Dark One, and during the Last Battle, however as Moridin and Rand at least realised, and potentially Lanfear as well, but the other forsaken didn't, winning the Last Battle wasn't going to free the Dark One, and so wasn't what the Dark One was truly after, it would just put the world in darkness, making life harder for the light in the next age, but not ending the turn of the wheel. Thus they wouldn't become truly immortal, and the Dark One would happily sacrifice them at a later date in order to try and win the next confrontation with the champion of light. I would imagine that over the many turnings of the wheel, the Shadow's forces have won at times, but the Dark One has yet to break free, and so Light has also turned things around and defeated the forces of darkness in later ages.

Thus Graendal was effective, but only in terms of winning the battle, not the war.
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Moridin - 16/01/2013 03:20:50 AM 1595 Views
I think Moridin was just another dupe of the DO - 16/01/2013 04:03:47 AM 1138 Views
I disagree somewhat... - 16/01/2013 08:54:09 AM 1042 Views
Never understood why Moridin didn't just ask someone to balefire him. *NM* - 16/01/2013 01:41:18 PM 515 Views
It doesn't stop you being respun by the wheel - 16/01/2013 02:28:31 PM 871 Views
Then just Travel to Tel'aran'rhiod and commit suicide! *NM* - 16/01/2013 03:20:16 PM 428 Views
But then the DO would bring him back. *NM* - 16/01/2013 04:08:54 PM 427 Views
Travel into Tel'aran'rhiod and kill yourself with balefire! *NM* - 17/01/2013 01:12:42 AM 552 Views
You can not touch yourself with your own weaves? *NM* - 19/01/2013 04:04:28 PM 423 Views
That, plus balefire paradox *NM* - 19/01/2013 11:29:04 PM 525 Views
I also don't really agree - 16/01/2013 04:50:55 PM 1135 Views
Re: I also don't really agree - 16/01/2013 10:11:31 PM 1084 Views
Yet the Dark One told us directly that he had many plans - 17/01/2013 12:36:09 AM 998 Views
Re: Yet the Dark One told us directly that he had many plans - 17/01/2013 12:56:05 AM 1098 Views
Re: Yet the Dark One told us directly that he had many plans - 17/01/2013 07:01:14 AM 1043 Views
Demandred and Graendal were the only two effective Forsaken, really. - 17/01/2013 07:51:49 AM 1028 Views
Semirhage didn't do too badly *NM* - 17/01/2013 11:29:57 AM 413 Views
Mesaana did okay too *NM* - 17/01/2013 05:01:25 PM 450 Views
I am disappointed that we didn't have more on screen time from Demandred - 17/01/2013 05:00:52 PM 846 Views
We're getting some of that, at least. - 17/01/2013 05:21:58 PM 814 Views
You are misunderstanding - 17/01/2013 04:55:48 PM 867 Views
Re: Moridin - 16/01/2013 08:43:27 AM 1051 Views
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