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I skipped those chapters during my re-read The Doctor Send a noteboard - 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM
She is also more responsible than any other one thing for how the pacing completely DIES in books 8-11. We spent a third of the freaking series listening to Perrin channel an angst-ridden teen while she played at being a captive Machiavelli. I am sure it was all very touching for Harriet (who does not love knowing they are the model for the most universally despised character in their spouses two decade epic? ;)) Yet those 2000 pages of unceasing drudgery did more to turn off a once large and rabid fanbase than all the baths and embroidery in the Westlands.


I had enough the first times I read it. It really added nothing to the story and reading the chapter summaries online as sufficient. It took hours off my time (I used audiobooks).

I want to imagine that almost being killed in the Last Battle and spending a large chunk of time under a dead horse AND a dead Trolloc might calm her down a bit, but this is Faile, so she'll probably take it as evidence that she can't be killed. :-)
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Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now Joel - 14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM 3014 Views
Faile made Perrin less interesting Isaac - 14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM 1038 Views
She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM 1136 Views
I skipped those chapters during my re-read The Doctor - 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM 1266 Views
I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM 967 Views
Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Zalvera - 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM 993 Views
You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters. Tom - 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM 993 Views
I think this is why I still enjoy Rand as a character so much IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 03:37:52 AM 950 Views
There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM 1096 Views
Though I too have wished for them to make really hard choices... Cannoli - 15/01/2013 09:37:34 AM 1045 Views
But they DO make hard choices; they just face relatively few hard consequences. Joel - 15/01/2013 10:08:19 AM 896 Views
Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others Isaac - 15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM 1088 Views
Mostly it's because it's clear in RJ's eyes that doing something like the things you suggest is wron IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 12:41:03 PM 972 Views
You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM 507 Views
We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die Joel - 15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM 930 Views
Joel, I just said I disagreed with you. I didn't want to debate this series for the sake of debate. *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 05:43:55 PM 485 Views
Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice? Tom - 15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM 827 Views
Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM 840 Views
And a trolloc attack Tom - 16/01/2013 02:28:00 PM 841 Views
True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM 955 Views
Jordan said he put some of himself in all the ta'veren, but its clearly strongest with Perrin. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:27:10 AM 973 Views
I'm glad you have seen the Truth. Tom - 14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM 961 Views
It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM 939 Views
I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly. Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM 1030 Views
Works for me. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:13:16 AM 1970 Views
In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela darius_sedai - 14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM 905 Views
Bela has been there for Egwene all the time. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2013 10:16:22 PM 1124 Views
Egwene and Bela Aes_Gesserit - 15/01/2013 08:13:17 AM 878 Views
I thought Noal was riding Bela... *NM* Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:56 PM 470 Views
I did, too, at first, but "horse"=/="pony." Joel - 15/01/2013 06:08:03 AM 850 Views
I think she fed her an apple once in TV or somewhere, too, but otherwise she ignored her. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:12:26 AM 1026 Views
Dramatic much? Bella lived a good life in TV and later in Salidar darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:54:15 AM 7715 Views
Actually, I never understood why people LOVE that horse so much. She is just a horse! *NM* aragornital - 15/01/2013 07:52:29 AM 531 Views
Pony. She is a pony. A loyal, goodnatured, overperforming and underappreciated pony. Joel - 15/01/2013 08:32:21 AM 988 Views
honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered? darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM 970 Views
The whole series is based upon the love of Bela and Narg and her struggle to come to terms with his MightyYT - 16/01/2013 04:01:59 AM 776 Views
The real problem echooff - 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM 906 Views
Faile will surely domineer someone into pulling Tams carts for him. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:04:35 PM 879 Views
The women in WoT are monsters Sidious - 15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM 1351 Views
I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM 1158 Views
Oh...I think we know :-) *NM* echooff - 16/01/2013 04:31:18 PM 565 Views
I try to give them, or rather her, the benefit of a doubt. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:48:22 PM 832 Views
Re: Tuon Zalvera - 15/01/2013 03:33:34 PM 1094 Views
I had not noticed that before, but you are right. Joel - 15/01/2013 07:45:53 PM 871 Views
I agree completely... lilltempest - 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM 1124 Views
Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM 976 Views
Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM 820 Views
Tell me then... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM 888 Views
That's a fallacious question Tom - 18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM 972 Views
Are you saying... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM 895 Views
That is a pathetic answer. Tom - 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM 829 Views
You're a pathetic ass Nargs - 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM 873 Views
LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM* Tom - 19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM 435 Views
Sad for you. *NM* Nargs - 19/01/2013 09:24:59 PM 460 Views
Oh, gosh, this could take a while. Joel - 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM 921 Views
How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death? Zeratul - 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM 840 Views
Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped Joel - 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM 757 Views
Her kidnapping... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM 783 Views
I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way. ) Joel - 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM 843 Views
No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM 807 Views
Exactly Zeratul - 20/01/2013 06:59:33 PM 1077 Views
Wow... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM 911 Views
Culture is sometimes a reason, but never an excuse. Joel - 19/01/2013 08:04:52 PM 893 Views
Just off color Nargs - 19/01/2013 10:03:58 PM 997 Views
? Joel - 19/01/2013 10:44:28 PM 888 Views
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