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Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM
More accurately, violent disgust.

So, Elaida is a power-obsessed despot. That's nothing new. But she used to be a formidable power-obsessed despot. Where is your knitting or your ivory figurines, Elaida? When she sent Alviarin crying to Mesaana in Crossroads of Twilight (and some people say nothing happened in that book...) I figured, 'this is what happens when you mess with this power-obsessed despot'. Elaida was a tyrannical egotist, but she got things done. Shrieking like a caricature over spilled soup on her carpet? Not impressive.



Elaida was never formidable. Oh she looked imposing to people who didn't know any better but it was all a front. She was always incompetent and never had her emotions under control.


What success can be laid at her feet?
When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. When the fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.
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And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1553 Views
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No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 943 Views
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1451 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1446 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1570 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1470 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1284 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1388 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1527 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1522 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1172 Views
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Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1472 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1287 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1433 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1409 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1467 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1492 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1319 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1395 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1491 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 920 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1405 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1348 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1389 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1606 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1408 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1351 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1385 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 905 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1290 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1401 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1246 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1473 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1222 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1384 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1408 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1464 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1458 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1277 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1417 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1400 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1453 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1364 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1386 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1707 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 854 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1452 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1201 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1400 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1304 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1273 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 886 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1525 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1434 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1555 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1424 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1015 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1485 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1505 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 922 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1301 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1275 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1514 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1415 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1384 Views

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