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Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear Send a noteboard - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM
Hi all,

My question is how many standard deviations is Lanfear above the mean? Is she 4, 5, 6, or some other number? According to Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation, (see the chart in the middle of the page) we get the following probabilities:

4 SD = 99.993 666% or in other words, 1 / 15,787

5 SD = 99.999 942 6697% or in other words, 1 / 1,744,278

6 SD = 99.999 999 8027% or in other words, 1 / 506,797,346

Now, if you like round numbers then you might want to use the following (also taken from the same chart on Wikipedia):

1 out of 100,000 = 4.417 173 SD from the mean

1 out of 1,000,000 = 4.891 638 SD from the mean

1 out of 10,000,000 = 5.326 724 SD from the mean.

I don't know if it is possible for us to come to a consensus on where Lanfear is, that is, how many standard deviations is she above the mean. But if we know her level, by extrapolation we can also assign Morgase the exact opposite SD below the mean. Then we can assign Daigian and that should allow us to fill in everybody else.

Any insights are appreciated.

Thanks


Lanfear is the only woman we know of who has the highest attainable strength from the AOL. Were there others? We know that Ishamael equalled Lews Therin in power, therefore males of the highest strength are not unique, but we also know that no one could match Ishamael except Lews Therin, meaning that there really might only have been two men of that strength. We should also assume that other women existed with Lanfear's strength in the Power.

We know that the world in the AOL was similar to ours, so if we assume 7 billion people and 3% can channel, then there were 210 million channelers in the AOL. If Lanfear was unique then the chance of having her strength is 1 in 210 million, making her close to the 6th SD. If there were others, she would be closer to the 5th etc.

I personally think that there were between 2 and 100 women with her strength, not more, not less.


I have two follow-up questions.

First, I've heard the 3% figure mentioned by several people. I'm assuming that's an RJ quote or something, but I have to admit I am curious where that number came from.

Second, with 7 billion people and 3% can channel that means 210,000,000 people who can channel. But, half would be female. So Lanfear would really only be about 1 in 105,000,000. Right?

Wouldn't that basically put Lanfear at 5.73 SD from the mean?

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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2199 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1208 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1337 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1173 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1046 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1091 Views
Re: - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1262 Views
Re: - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1096 Views
Re: - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1083 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1104 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1305 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1057 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1129 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1075 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1129 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1021 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1159 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1106 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1010 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1138 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1015 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 980 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1083 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1137 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1093 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 693 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1049 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 695 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1080 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 930 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1143 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1035 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1009 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1058 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1028 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1071 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1085 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 668 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 920 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1053 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 930 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1087 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1054 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1184 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1086 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1053 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1007 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1064 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1018 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 940 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 900 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1019 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1054 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1018 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1001 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1030 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 986 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 946 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1061 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 961 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1030 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 659 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1044 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 982 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1072 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1065 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1032 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1025 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1071 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1033 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1140 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1052 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 970 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1005 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1040 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 970 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 978 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 992 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 931 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1038 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 626 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1020 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1010 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 971 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 915 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1024 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 931 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1054 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1111 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 958 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1009 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 935 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1165 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1021 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 947 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 944 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1180 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 969 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1039 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1002 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1015 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1038 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 966 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1051 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 977 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 973 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 850 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1093 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 929 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1124 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 978 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1088 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1077 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1054 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1039 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 909 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1323 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1031 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1075 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1031 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 876 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1076 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 954 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1008 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1091 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1243 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1044 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1221 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1082 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1064 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1087 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1107 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1145 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 987 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 870 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1079 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1113 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 985 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 995 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1006 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 980 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1229 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1019 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1067 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1384 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1157 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1295 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 874 Views

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