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see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM

Because two women can hold anyone (see Vandene/Adelease etc), but they add a third to hold Semirhage for caution's sake. Egwene can be held by one woman who knows what she's doing, once again proving to you both in the midst of your chaos that Egwene isn't close to Forsaken strength. Its fantastic when squabbling sinks your own theories :P


Wow. That's a twisted bit of logic. First, I don't think I've even stated that Egwene bing close to Semirhage means they're the same strength. I put Semi at 90-95, and Egwene at 75. That's a considerable distance.

Secondly, while we're told three weak Aes Sedai are enough to hold Semrihage, in the case of Egwene, we're uniformly talking of the strongest of Aes Sedai. Makes a ton of difference to the numbers you'll see.

I'm insisting that one woman as strong as Silviana can hold Egwene, and your counter to that is that two weak women like Daigian and Elza can hold Semirhage? Bravo!


but we have a definitive quote that a woman as strong as Amys cannot hold Egwene on her own. Amys states it outright at a time when Egwene was weaker than she is when Silviana and forkroot hold Egwene.

I agree that Semirhage is in the mid-90s and would place Egwene around an 80 ... difference of about Daigian's strength ... which in the grand scheme is pretty significant since Daigian is stronger than about 1/3 of all Channelers.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2090 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1127 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1232 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1078 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 970 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1010 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1174 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1006 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1006 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1016 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1220 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 962 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1033 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 987 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1036 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 935 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1068 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1016 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 922 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1045 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 921 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 885 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 993 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1048 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1007 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 660 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 971 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 673 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 990 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 837 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1061 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 960 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 900 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 977 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 943 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 985 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 996 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 642 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 847 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 972 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 847 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 993 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 944 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1106 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1004 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 953 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 921 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 988 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 941 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 882 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 809 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 933 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 957 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 938 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 918 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 936 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 900 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 878 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 981 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 864 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 949 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 630 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 986 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 904 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 993 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 999 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 941 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 939 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 991 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 946 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1015 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 958 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 870 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 921 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 955 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 874 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 884 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 911 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 851 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 942 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 591 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 923 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 916 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 889 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 832 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 936 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 846 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 983 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1030 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 854 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 930 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 851 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1077 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 930 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 869 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 855 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1096 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 876 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 948 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 912 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 931 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 963 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 890 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 972 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 905 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 880 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 750 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1019 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 859 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1080 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 902 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1007 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 993 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 970 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 960 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 829 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1259 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 942 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 969 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 941 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 791 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 979 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 875 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 908 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 974 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1158 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 960 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1133 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1006 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 989 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1035 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1044 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1044 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 890 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 789 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 981 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1010 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 893 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 928 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 928 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 903 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1154 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 935 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 991 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1289 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1081 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1213 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 846 Views
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