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Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM
Why're you ignoring the fact that by the middle of the night, Egwene would be forkroot free, and yet Barasine would be enough to hold her? Why ignore your own quote, where Barasine continued to hold the shield on Egwene even when Egwene had been forkroot free for days?


Because two women can hold anyone (see Vandene/Adelease etc), but they add a third to hold Semirhage for caution's sake. Egwene can be held by one woman who knows what she's doing, once again proving to you both in the midst of your chaos that Egwene isn't close to Forsaken strength. Its fantastic when squabbling sinks your own theories :P


2 Middling Sisters and Daigian. Egwene, per the author is 1 step below the Forsaken ... why is this so difficult to accept? Why do you need her to be so much weaker than them? The evidence in the books supports that she is much stronger than even the strongest AS and not that much weaker than Nynaeve ... I just don't understand this stubborn refusal to accept the obvious. There is only one quote in the entire series that can even remotely be construed as there being a wide gulf at that is widely considered to be hyperbole (Bonfires and Candles).


I do accept it. I merely think that the gap is not what you think it is. Nynaeve is 90, Egwene is 60, Moiraine is 30. Those are the three steps.

The three girls have been in awe of Nynaeve's power since they could channel, always amazed at what she could pull into herself, and never saying that they would be there one day. At the same time, Egwene says that only Nynaeve can match the Forsaken despite being very strong at that time. It implies a gulf. I don't need anything. There is Rand and Nynaeve and the Forsaken, then down a category we get Egwene and the other girls, then we get all the Aes Sedai. Just like RJ said, but definitely categorized. You're trying to put Egwene into a category that she doesn't belong.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2160 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1189 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1307 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1144 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1023 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1063 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1236 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1062 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1067 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1079 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1275 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1028 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1095 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1037 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1103 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 990 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1127 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1079 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 979 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1100 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 981 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 949 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1052 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1096 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1064 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 685 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1034 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 687 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1052 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 906 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1116 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1009 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 969 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1032 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1001 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1046 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1053 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 664 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 909 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1027 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 904 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1051 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1017 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1165 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1059 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1007 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 975 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1046 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1004 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 906 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 868 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 986 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1022 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 995 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 970 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 997 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 963 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 909 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1032 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 928 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1003 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 649 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1018 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 959 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1052 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1027 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1001 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 988 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1051 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1002 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1112 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1017 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 931 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 980 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1005 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 936 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 940 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 965 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 909 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1006 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 620 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 989 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 968 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 949 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 885 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 988 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 902 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1035 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1093 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 912 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 985 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 910 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1137 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 992 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 928 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 912 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1147 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 926 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1007 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 959 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 993 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1017 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 941 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1032 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 953 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 939 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 808 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1070 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 907 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1098 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 949 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1065 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1045 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1026 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1022 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 887 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1290 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 998 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1040 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 991 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 852 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1036 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 934 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 979 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1063 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1222 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1016 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1201 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1052 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1042 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1071 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1078 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1108 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 953 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 838 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1042 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1085 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 949 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 965 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 980 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 964 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1212 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 997 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1041 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1352 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1133 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1266 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 868 Views
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