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Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA Send a noteboard - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM
The BWB says straight out that Ishamael was the strongest of the Chosen, and it is WoT canon (up to when it was written).


The whole book is written to reflect the knowledge of fictitious 3rd Age scholars.

It's canon, it's accurate... only so far as the information from the series is, ie: unless assumptions are proven to be misinterpretations or plain wrong.

I'm not saying Ishamael isn't a match in raw strength for LTT, I'm merely saying we can't be sure of this is the right way to interpret the scraps from the AOL that appear to say this, and short of a direct quote stating this from one of the Forsaken or Rand, we'll never be sure.

There's this nagging problem you see that Ishamael stood above the other Chosen and had the same power over the Shadow LTT had.

And there's the problem that Demandred happens to have been second in the Guild to only LTT.

That opens the door wide that the quotes referring to their OP strengths aren't about their strength the way AS scholars interpret them, but about their global power.

The Forsaken almost never refer to their comparative raw strengths, if you noticed. They don't think like Third Age channelers.

I think you're wrong about Aginor. We know he used the OP/TP in his work, it's very clear it's fundamentally OP related work. He refers vaguely to the challenge making the Shadowspawn represented in LOC.

That may be his only true Talent, but it was amazing.

I'm not convinced about Demandred/LTT. Both have not demonstrated any outstanding Talent, nor referred to them. It's especially suspicious in the case of Demandred as you'd hardly expect humility from him in his POV (or for that matter from LTT).

Lanfear is totally biased when she speaks of LTT.





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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2204 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1212 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1340 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1178 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1048 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1093 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1108 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1308 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1062 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1133 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1080 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1133 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1026 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1165 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1112 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1013 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1145 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1019 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 984 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1087 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1140 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1095 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 694 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1054 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 696 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1083 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 935 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1149 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1040 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1014 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1062 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1033 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1075 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1091 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 668 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 925 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1058 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 935 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1093 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1059 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1189 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1090 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1060 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1012 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1067 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1022 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 944 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 904 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1023 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1060 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1023 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1008 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1036 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 989 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 954 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1068 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 967 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1034 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 660 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1047 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 986 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1075 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1072 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1039 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1029 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1075 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1038 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1144 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1055 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 975 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1010 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1044 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 975 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 984 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 996 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 934 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1044 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 627 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1024 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1017 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 974 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 922 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1032 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 935 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1058 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1115 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 965 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1015 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 938 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1170 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1023 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 951 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 950 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1185 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 972 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1044 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1009 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1016 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1042 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 969 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1056 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 983 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 976 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 856 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1093 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 932 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1129 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 981 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1091 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1081 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1060 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1042 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 914 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1328 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1038 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1080 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1038 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 879 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1082 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 958 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1012 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1094 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1248 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1048 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1225 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1087 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1068 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1093 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1112 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1150 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 995 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 871 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1086 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1119 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 989 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1000 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1010 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 982 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1232 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1023 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1072 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1389 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1160 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1299 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 875 Views

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