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Re: Sure you can Tor Send a noteboard - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM
There is no reason to believe Daigian is .3SD below the Mean.


If 62.5% of channelers are stronger than Daigan, and strength in channeling is normally distributed, then Daigan is 0.32 standard deviations below the mean. Plain and simple.

The only thing we can say for certain at this point is that Morgase and Lanfear are the same number of SDs from the Mean.


How can we say that for certain? Who knows how many people like Morgase the Aes Sedai ignored because they didn't happen to be nobles with a tradition for training in the Tower?
Fram kamerater!
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2090 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1127 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1232 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1077 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 969 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1009 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1173 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1006 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1006 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1015 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1220 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 962 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1032 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 986 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1036 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 935 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1067 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1015 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 921 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1045 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 921 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 884 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 992 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1047 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1007 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 660 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 970 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 673 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 990 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 837 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1061 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 959 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 899 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 976 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 942 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 985 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 996 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 641 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 847 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 971 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 847 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 992 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 944 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1105 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1003 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 953 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 920 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 987 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 940 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 882 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 809 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 933 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 956 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 938 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 917 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 936 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 900 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 878 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 981 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 864 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 949 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 630 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 985 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 904 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 992 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 999 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 940 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 939 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 991 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 945 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1014 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 957 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 869 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 921 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 954 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 873 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 883 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 910 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 850 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 941 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 591 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 922 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 915 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 888 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 831 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 935 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 845 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 983 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1029 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 853 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 929 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 850 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1076 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 930 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 869 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 855 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1096 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 876 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 948 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 911 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 930 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 963 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 890 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 972 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 904 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 880 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 749 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1019 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 858 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1080 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 901 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1006 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 993 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 969 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 960 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 828 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1258 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 941 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 968 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 940 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 790 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 979 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 874 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 908 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 974 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1157 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 960 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1132 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1005 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 989 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1034 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1043 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1044 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 890 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 788 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 980 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1010 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 892 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 927 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 927 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 902 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1154 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 935 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 990 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1289 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1080 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1212 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 845 Views
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