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Indeed Sidious Send a noteboard - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM
Daigian is just about strong enough to be AS, and I think RJ obviously put her in there to give us a clear bottom rung for Aes Sedai. And he gave us a useful comparison between her and the weakest woman we know who can channel reliably, Sorelia:

Abruptly, the glow of saidar surrounded the leather-faced woman. She was weak enough to make Daigian look at least moderately strong.


Now, my interpretation of this quote is open to discussion, but I think what this is intended to show is that Daigian sits halfway between a powerful Aes Sedai and the weakest of channelers. Cadsuane would consider a woman like Verin to be moderately strong. The presence of Sorelia makes her perspective shift, making it seem like Daigian is of that range. To me that implies that the scale would be

Sorelia + X=Daigian

Daigian + X= Verin

Verin + X= Moiraine

Based on all this, I put Sorelia at about 5, Daigian at 25 , Verin at about 45, and Moiraine at 65.

Leanne, afer being healed, was at the bottom of the heap, at less than half her former strength of 60. At half strength of 30, she would have been at a somewhat better position, and two-thirds her strength, 40, she says most Aes Sedai would have been as strong or stronger (and this makes perfect sense as the Aes Sedai mean will definitely be a bit lower than the overall mean, given how they don't have many stronger women).


If Daigian is 25, as you suggest above, with the mean at 50, it would mean that 0.3 SD = 25 (the distance between Daigian's strength and the Mean). This would mean that 1 SD = 3 x 25. Hence, 1SD = 75!

That would mean that every channeler alive falls less than 1 SD from the mean.

Clearly, that refutes a Normal Distribution, which only has 68% of a population within 1 SD from the Mean.

Once again, the figures don't matter. Daigian's placement at 0.3SD from the mean disproves a Normal Distribution.

Please, throw some more figures at me, and I'll use it again to disprove a linear Normal Distribution of One Power strength.

It's so simple that it should be obvious, really.


I don't think Fionwe's numbers can stand up to the simplest scrutiny... There are just too many quotes and issues in the series that make his list impossible. Darius's list could be right though. I still don't think Egwene is as strong as he claims, but that doesn't really refute his list much.

The fact that Rand can snap two women's connection to the Source like threads implies how strong he is compared to the average woman. He's many times more powerful, and the peak in strength on the graph has to reflect this.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2201 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1208 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1338 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1174 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1047 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1092 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1105 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1305 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1058 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1129 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1077 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1131 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1022 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1161 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1109 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1010 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1143 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1015 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 982 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1084 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1137 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1093 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 694 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1051 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 696 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1081 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 931 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1145 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1036 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1010 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1059 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1030 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1072 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1086 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 668 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 923 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1056 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 933 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1088 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1056 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1184 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1086 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1056 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1009 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1065 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1019 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 941 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 901 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1021 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1055 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1018 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1004 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1033 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 987 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 949 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1064 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 962 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1031 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 660 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1045 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 984 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1072 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1065 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1036 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1026 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1073 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1034 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1140 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1053 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 971 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1008 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1041 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 972 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 981 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 993 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 932 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1040 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 627 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1020 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1012 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 971 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 917 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1029 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 931 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1055 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1113 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 962 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1010 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 936 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1167 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1021 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 947 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 946 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1181 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 970 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1039 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1003 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1015 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1039 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 967 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1054 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 978 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 974 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 852 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1093 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 930 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1126 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 980 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1089 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1077 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1056 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1040 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 911 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1326 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1034 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1076 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1033 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 877 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1078 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 954 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1010 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1091 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1246 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1045 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1222 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1083 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1064 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1088 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1107 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1147 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 989 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 870 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1082 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1115 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 987 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 998 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1007 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 981 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1230 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1021 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1067 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1386 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1157 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1296 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 875 Views

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