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Re: Sidious Send a noteboard - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM
Morgase is probably as rare as Lanfear.


Unless she's perhaps not the weakest woman possible, just the weakest known. There may be levels (I'm not referring to the 21...) below Morgase where the ability isn't even really quantifiable by a channeler.

It's just that no Aes Sedai mentionning Morgase's strength did comment that it was unique or almost unique to find a woman so weak.

But yeah, it seems more likely women like Morgase are as rare as women around Lanfear's strength. Sorilea's strength is likely to be fairly rare too, if not as rare as Morgase's (perhaps more comparable to the rarity of women like Graendal).



True, but they did describe her ability as negligible. We already know that women can't detect strength with extreme precision (they describe dueling as the only real way to know if two similar women are really equal). It's likely that Morgase gives off such a weak resonance that discriminating higher and lower levels is impossible. It's all "negligible" until it's "not negligible".
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2216 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1216 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1345 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1189 Views
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We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1101 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1116 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1315 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1070 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1147 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1094 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1145 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1039 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1181 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1127 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1020 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1164 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1031 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 995 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1096 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1145 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1109 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 699 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1061 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 700 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1091 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 944 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1158 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1047 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1022 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1067 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1041 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1080 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1100 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 674 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 931 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1064 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 947 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1107 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1072 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1196 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1098 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1076 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1025 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1074 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1030 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 957 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 908 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1032 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1079 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1031 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1019 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1045 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1007 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 962 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1078 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 985 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1042 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 665 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1053 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 993 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1081 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1086 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1047 Views
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Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1083 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1049 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1150 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1071 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 991 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1017 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1053 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 985 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 992 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1014 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 941 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1057 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 632 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1032 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1037 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 983 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 938 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1050 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 947 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1064 Views
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Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 957 Views
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Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 983 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1055 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1022 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1030 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1048 Views
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Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 871 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1109 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 938 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1139 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 992 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1101 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1089 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1074 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1050 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 921 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1340 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1046 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1098 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1058 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 886 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1095 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 965 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1020 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1101 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1255 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1055 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1234 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1096 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1074 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1100 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1120 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1161 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1006 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 878 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1099 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1138 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 998 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1007 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1016 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 991 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1237 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1035 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1081 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1402 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1166 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1308 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 880 Views

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