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I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 11/11/2012 07:45:19 AM
I simply don't agree that either Harine's or Zaida negotiated for the land with Traveling in mind. It seems to be a part of the larger SF agenda put in motion by Nesta when she sent ambassadors to Rand. Zaida made do with what she could and came up with a great Bargain.

How Zaida used her Bargain is a different thing than why she secured the land. The land can and will be used for many things, gaining Traveling wasnt even Zaida's doing, Nesta set that in motion with her BotW Bargain. Zaida just managed to use it.
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[Mik's Warp] - Demandred is.....*click to find out* Mik - 05/11/2012 01:06:42 PM 2735 Views
There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)... Tom - 05/11/2012 02:10:07 PM 1294 Views
Nah.. forget that DomA - 05/11/2012 08:29:53 PM 1138 Views
Re: Nah.. forget that RandAllThor - 05/11/2012 10:07:46 PM 997 Views
Re: There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)... Mik - 06/11/2012 12:40:54 PM 1184 Views
I'm not saying it's not a well-reasoned theory; it is. Tom - 06/11/2012 06:02:36 PM 1187 Views
I say Roederan is a better choice simply because of where he is located darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 11:01:28 PM 1092 Views
Re: I say Roederan is a better choice simply because of where he is located Mik - 07/11/2012 09:42:00 AM 1349 Views
I applaud your effort, but to be honest I just can't see it darius_sedai - 07/11/2012 04:48:17 PM 966 Views
Re: I applaud your effort, but to be honest I just can't see it DomA - 07/11/2012 08:36:34 PM 1226 Views
There has been a lot of waste in WOT..... Anonymous2000 - 06/11/2012 06:26:56 PM 911 Views
LIKE! *NM* alanna aes sedai - 09/12/2012 02:37:49 PM 1032 Views
Whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 06/11/2012 07:27:06 PM 554 Views
Plausible, albeit antilclimactic *NM* beetnemesis - 05/11/2012 06:32:38 PM 608 Views
Unless Mat is Demandred, at this point it will be anticlimactic. *NM* Tom - 06/11/2012 04:02:38 AM 567 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* Artsapat - 06/11/2012 07:53:30 PM 575 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* Artsapat - 06/11/2012 07:53:31 PM 567 Views
You've tried too hard... DomA - 05/11/2012 07:53:41 PM 2804 Views
Will be so disappointed if the Shadow's greatest (non-crazy) leader is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky Shannow - 05/11/2012 08:57:59 PM 1136 Views
I doubt Mat will kill him personally but TheCrownless - 05/11/2012 09:24:48 PM 891 Views
I don't know darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 02:01:41 AM 898 Views
My prediction of how it plays out... Shannow - 06/11/2012 07:12:15 AM 996 Views
I don't think that's likely Sidious - 06/11/2012 06:04:55 PM 958 Views
LOL ... it will be a saying in the next Age darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 10:36:04 PM 898 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely DomA - 06/11/2012 11:21:21 PM 896 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely Sidious - 07/11/2012 08:14:28 PM 1019 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely DomA - 07/11/2012 09:05:07 PM 1121 Views
Re: I don't think that's likely Sidious - 08/11/2012 05:52:16 PM 942 Views
It sounds like we're at the same stage of vision of the AOL DomA - 08/11/2012 07:48:17 PM 895 Views
Statistics refute some of that... Shannow - 09/11/2012 07:35:59 AM 904 Views
We're not talking about the same things... DomA - 09/11/2012 11:31:12 PM 889 Views
The real question is how much of that was caused by the Bore and the Collapse darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 11:50:20 PM 934 Views
It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent. darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 11:43:26 PM 1085 Views
Re: It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent. Shannow - 10/11/2012 07:34:34 AM 1002 Views
You seriously believe that? darius_sedai - 10/11/2012 04:17:09 PM 931 Views
Mat has grown quiet a bit since those days darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 01:55:48 AM 1053 Views
You're putting the Evil on a pedestal. Praziquantel - 06/11/2012 03:12:38 AM 819 Views
No, just desperately trying to raise the stakes a bit... Shannow - 06/11/2012 07:00:59 AM 965 Views
That's essentially what I was saying Praziquantel - 06/11/2012 03:35:45 PM 1084 Views
hmmm Yunalesca - 06/11/2012 10:27:00 AM 1222 Views
... is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky DomA - 06/11/2012 08:45:02 PM 1047 Views
Mat is essentially the man (men) who wrote the books Demandred studied darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 10:42:40 PM 877 Views
Exactly... DomA - 06/11/2012 11:45:36 PM 1045 Views
... is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky DomA - 06/11/2012 08:45:29 PM 1091 Views
I didn't try hard at all; Demandred found me... Mik - 06/11/2012 03:31:41 PM 1057 Views
My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1026 Views
Re: My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk DomA - 07/11/2012 12:07:02 AM 1076 Views
Well, it instantly gives the Shadow access to attacking every coastal city... Shannow - 07/11/2012 10:32:23 AM 948 Views
Exactly! Mik - 07/11/2012 10:54:14 AM 1497 Views
If he married Nynaeve and Moiraine he'd have his wives at Rand's side in the Pit too.... DomA - 07/11/2012 03:28:38 PM 919 Views
I find that approach unnecessarily convoluted. Just hit them with 1 billion Trollocs and crush them. Shannow - 08/11/2012 07:00:36 AM 906 Views
Not likely he has that many... DomA - 08/11/2012 03:00:32 PM 841 Views
May I ask some practical questions? Sidious - 08/11/2012 05:28:41 PM 843 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? Praziquantel - 08/11/2012 10:35:38 PM 981 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? darius_sedai - 10/11/2012 12:09:15 AM 912 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? Praziquantel - 10/11/2012 03:11:59 AM 919 Views
LOL ... Seems more than a little far fetched *NM* darius_sedai - 10/11/2012 06:17:34 AM 512 Views
Well you asked for an explanation Praziquantel - 13/11/2012 10:23:41 PM 832 Views
fair enough *NM* darius_sedai - 14/11/2012 01:31:52 AM 485 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? DomA - 10/11/2012 07:15:58 PM 960 Views
Exactly! darius_sedai - 11/11/2012 07:38:46 AM 961 Views
Good practical questions... Shannow - 09/11/2012 07:24:14 AM 955 Views
He doesn't need the SF for that darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 03:00:34 PM 732 Views
Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 02:57:16 PM 792 Views
Re: Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about DomA - 09/11/2012 09:03:14 PM 908 Views
I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind. darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 11:57:34 PM 884 Views
Re: I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind. DomA - 10/11/2012 10:08:04 PM 2420 Views
I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage darius_sedai - 11/11/2012 07:45:19 AM 945 Views
Re: I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage DomA - 12/11/2012 02:57:08 PM 961 Views
Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing darius_sedai - 12/11/2012 04:11:50 PM 993 Views
Re: Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing DomA - 12/11/2012 06:01:33 PM 1081 Views
Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain darius_sedai - 12/11/2012 06:51:24 PM 1112 Views
Re: Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain DomA - 12/11/2012 09:30:57 PM 911 Views
Not to belabor the point darius_sedai - 12/11/2012 10:56:39 PM 859 Views
Re: Not to belabor the point DomA - 13/11/2012 12:46:21 AM 821 Views
I think you are way off base on the economics darius_sedai - 13/11/2012 01:24:35 AM 788 Views
Re: I think you are way off base on the economics DomA - 13/11/2012 03:48:40 PM 907 Views
no reason to *NM* darius_sedai - 14/11/2012 01:35:55 AM 502 Views
I don't see the problem... Mik - 07/11/2012 10:52:49 AM 1635 Views
This is preposterous DomA - 07/11/2012 04:15:11 PM 1335 Views
Who? ßelals Girl - 06/11/2012 07:29:46 PM 861 Views
Paah, he's clearly on the Isle of Madmen to the south. Stephen - 10/11/2012 03:28:26 AM 1285 Views
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