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I don't think that's likely Sidious Send a noteboard - 06/11/2012 06:04:55 PM
he'll certainly beat him in battle, thats been on the cards since he went through the arches. The killing blow will no doubt be Rand's (or Taim's if there is a twist), the Demandred v LTT thing has been built up far too long for it to be left to Mat.


RJ loved to punish his bad guys by depriving them of their hearts desire. Demandred dying before having his shot at LTT/ Rand has that sort of RJ sense of justice. Not to mention Super Rand is so far out of any Forsaken's league now it would be a very boring OP duel. All the skill of LTT and what appears to be limitless OP strength, and a Buddha like mentality ... I doubt Rand will do the dead himself. But who knows ... I prepare to yawn through it if he does!


Demandred and Rand's confrontation will take place. Too much build up has gone into it.

At the climax of the conventional battle, Rand has defeated Moridin, and is standing over his injured body. In desperation, Moridin reaches out through the link and swaps bodies with Rand just as Demandred arrives on the scene.

Demandred takes his chance and kills "Rand" (who is now Moridin in truth). Rand - in Moridin's body - then kills Demandred, who thinks he has finally achieved his dream, but has in truth fallen short by a hair yet again.


I find that unlikely for the following reasons...

1. We've seen the cover for AMOL and it looks like Rand is descending into the Pit of Doom with two women. Unless you think Demandred is going to take all of them on, along with Moridin, or that both the women will die, I don't see how it can happen.

2. Rand is a super-channeler Light avatar. Moridin may be able to stand against him if the Dark One directly helps him, but let's be honest, most Darkfriends kill themselves or can't even look at Rand when he's near. He's also probably stronger than all of the Forsaken together now. The Pattern is in complete flux around him. Demandred might just ignite if he comes too close to Rand.

3. Demandred's case isn't much better than other Forsaken. Moridin being the Dark avatar may have a better cause to meet Rand, and even Cyndane has been on a collision path since Lanfear died. Doesn't mean it will happen.

As it is, I actually do think Demandred will have a 'glorious' death. I think it's going to be a team effort. I can totally see Demandred falling to Logain and Cadsuane (or similar) who work as a team to kill him.

I think Mat will defeat him in Battle but not in combat. Mat couldn't even survive an offhand attack by Rahvin, there is no way he can take on someone like Demandred directly.

That said, RJ 'defeated' Demandred with a relatively unimpressive team in WH i.e. Flinn and two normal Aes Sedai. It's possible he'll paint a giant "L" on Demandred's forehead and have some lame duck like Moiraine kill him from behind. Villainy has always been impotent in WoT, but Brandon does seem to have some reserved hope for Demandred as a villain.
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[Mik's Warp] - Demandred is.....*click to find out* - 05/11/2012 01:06:42 PM 2735 Views
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That would be EPIC *NM* - 06/11/2012 07:53:30 PM 574 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* - 06/11/2012 07:53:31 PM 566 Views
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May I ask some practical questions? - 08/11/2012 05:28:41 PM 843 Views
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Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 10/11/2012 12:09:15 AM 911 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? - 10/11/2012 03:11:59 AM 918 Views
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fair enough *NM* - 14/11/2012 01:31:52 AM 484 Views
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Good practical questions... - 09/11/2012 07:24:14 AM 954 Views
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no reason to *NM* - 14/11/2012 01:35:55 AM 502 Views
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