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I don't need to interpret the following in any way other than the obvious to get the picture... Shannow Send a noteboard - 04/11/2012 12:17:53 AM
And what she felt there was his Raw strength.

Speaking of wishful thinking, why don't you go make up one of your fantasy quotes now :P

You two need to realize thatim not trying to convince either of you of anything. I believe what I believe in the series and I express that here. I could give a rats ass about convincing you to think about it the way I do. I simpy think the two of you have a very skewed perspective on the Forsaken's strength based on the books and various quotes from the author


And not on fact.


The difference is i don't have any one character or set of characters I want to be stronger or weaker, I think the books make strength pretty obvious in a broad sense. RJ made it even more clear by talking about his own scale. You choose to ignore these things to make the Forsaken stronger and I don't understand why that matters so much. You've been proven wrong over and over when the author makes quotes, I recall both you and Sidious arguing that Nynaeve wasn't all that amazing in strength until Brandon announced that she was only weaker than 6 women.

I'm far more interested in their skill levels than something as trivial as their OP strength. When I see a quote from Egwene that flat out states she can face and defeat Mesaana I see that she has become far more skilled since her earlier statements. It is also clear that sheis not far from the Forsaken in strength. Never mind that RJ himself said she was ONE LEVEL below. You and Sidious clearly NEED the Forsaken to be so powerful that they should be unbeatable. I think they are much interesting characters if they are powerful through skill.


RJ calls Nynaeve bonfire next to a candle compared to Egwene.

RJ lets Egwene say that she and Elayne are hopelessly overmatched by Rand. A Rand that cannot even take hold of the Source every time he tries to at that point.

RJ has Loial tell us that 6 sisters could not defeat Guare Amalasan or Yurian Stonebow, despite these guys being self taught compared to the skilled sisters they were facing. Sisters from a thousand years or more ago, when Aes Sedai were still stronger on average than today.

RJ has Logain able to break free from 5 modern sisters.

RJ has Flinn's circle exactly match Demandred's strength.

RJ has Egwene say that she plus Romanda plus Lelaine might be able to match 1 male Forsaken.

RJ has Egwene say that she would stand no chance against Moghedien loose in Salidar.

The list goes on.

I'm not the one that created the idea of the Forsaken being so much stronger than modern Aes Sedai. RJ did that all on his own.

You are the one looking for evidence to prove your contrarian theories. My view is the conventional one, supported by the books.
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I don't need to interpret the following in any way other than the obvious to get the picture... - 04/11/2012 12:17:53 AM 2315 Views

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