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We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM

And Tarna and Theodrin were both Wilders (meaning they had the Spark) and neither of them are in the very top tiers of AS strength, which shows the Spark is not linked to strength. In fact there are many AS who had the Spark and are weak, we just don't see a ton of them onscreen. But they must exist since there is a special classification for them within AS hierarchy and we hear from Verin how many women come to the Tower with "tricks".


I'm sorry but that's a leap too far for me. A few outliers are not sufficient to make that kind of claim, especially when Theodrin nor Tarna are 'weak' and virtually all of the channellers stronger than Nicola (on the female side) are born with the spark.

I assume most things RJ implemented are literary devices, which is probably why we get grey areas like this.


Given that Cadsuane is from Far Madding it's impossible to tell since she would never have Channeled naturally within the Guardians.

We know that Flinn is strong and he is not a Sparker nor is Grady or Neald, both strong males. In fact the ONLY male Sparker we know of in the BT is Narishma (aside from Taim and Logain) and we don't know how strong he is at this point. Again, RJ seemed to use the Spark for the strong main characters because if they were not born with the Spark they had no reason to leave the TR.

Immediately assuming Spark and strength go hand in hand is a flawed assumption since we know for fact that the Strongest woman we know of in AS world is Sharina and she is not a Sparker, while there are many Sparkers who are weaker. Tarna and Theodrin are specifically called out because they each came to the Tower with a Block, but there are clearly many others who are weaker or there would be no need to have special hierarchy rules for Wilders.
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1491 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 886 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1452 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 893 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 738 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 738 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 824 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 726 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 802 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 1024 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 802 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 752 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 765 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 765 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 782 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 812 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 713 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 691 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 718 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 868 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 729 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 668 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 671 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 770 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 668 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 762 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 682 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 699 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 699 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 693 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1364 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 948 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 723 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 653 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1392 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 912 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 728 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 703 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 638 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 725 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 813 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 375 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 738 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 698 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 702 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 769 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 777 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 797 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 840 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 799 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 825 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 407 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 746 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 682 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 806 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 636 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1287 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 736 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 740 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 682 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 883 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 807 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 806 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 712 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 1004 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 818 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 703 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 829 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 785 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 608 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 878 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 813 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 782 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 795 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 770 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 793 Views
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