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Sure it is darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM

Hence, all modern Aes Sedai fall below the mean of the Bell Curve.

Where did we learn Moiraine wasn't half as strong as Lanfear? Enlighten me to this quote.


Its where Aviendha tells Egwene that she's stronger than Amys and Melaine combined. And considering Amys is as strong as Moiraine and Lanfear is vastly more powerful than Egwene, its confirmatory evidence. Aviendha's direct quote is one of those useful pieces of information that you and Darius throw out because it doesn't fulfil your unlikely theories.


Moiraine herself tells us that Egwene and Aviendha, who are not at full potential, could overwhelm a female Forsaken. At the time Egwene isn't much stronger than Moiraine herself and Aviendha isn't as strong as Egwene. Even if Egwene was at full potential we know for fact that Aviendha was not even close to hers and Moiraine still felt they were strong enough to overwhelm a Forsaken. Given that Moiraine has been exposed to Nynaeve and several of the male Forsaken at the very least we can say that 100% of Egwene plus 50% of Aviendha is overwhelmingly stronger than Nynaeve.


Egwene was much stronger than Moiraine! Egwene was stronger than Moiraine in TSR and this comment was made at the end of TfoH. I agree that Egwene/aviendha together are more powerful than Nynaeve... That's not even being debated.


We know Egwene is a little less 2x Moiraine at maximum potential, but we don't know how close to her potential she as at the time of Moiraines comment. It's only a handful of weeks after TSR and her forcing is nowhere near as intense in that timeframe as it was when she was a damane. Aviendha had only been channeling for a few weeks and while obviously the WOs are much more aggressive coupled with Egwene being there to push her it's clear she gained strength rapidly, but it's practically impossible for her to be as strong as Moiraine at this time. Elayne was not as strong as Moiraine at the end of TSR or she would not have been surprised by her ability to lift a single woman in the Panarchs palace and we know by the time she and Aviendha become 1st Sisters they are pretty close to each other.

Now consider how strong they would need to be for Moiraine to think they could overwhelm a Forsaken. She likely isn't counting training into her equation as we all know even if they were 2x Lanfear they would realistically stand no chance, Alivia proves that. But in making her point on how strong the Forsaken are she'd have to think they were at least 20% stronger than Nynaeve to make such a statement and believe it. Makes me believe Moiraine is in the ballpark of 50% of a Forsaken female.

Egwene has much more knowledge of what to expect from a Forsaken when she ponders linking with Romanda and Lelaine to match one of the men Forsaken and knows she'll need a significant strength boost to face someone with exponentially more knowledge than her so she thinks she'll need to more than double her own Strength to face someone like this. However, by TOM, she confident in her skill and strength comination that she could face and defeat Mesaana the non-warrior Forsaken on her own. Odds are she has continued to grow in strength and she is clearly vastly more skilled than when she made the comment about facing a male Forsaken.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2768 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 685 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 940 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1094 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1023 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 749 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1030 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1249 Views
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Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1110 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1108 Views
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Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 977 Views
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Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 600 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1161 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 854 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1185 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 918 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1011 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 966 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1024 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 956 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1021 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 970 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 891 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 895 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 901 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 956 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 949 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 872 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 970 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 955 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 984 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1046 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 738 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1041 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 880 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 928 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 944 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 856 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 846 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 822 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1025 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 793 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 942 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1023 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 787 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 913 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 804 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 842 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 805 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 930 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 932 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 817 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 863 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 853 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 855 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 886 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1217 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 904 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 961 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 882 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 861 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 836 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 845 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 837 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 843 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 882 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 885 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 897 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 849 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 832 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 815 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 809 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 960 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 809 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 865 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 812 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 960 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 809 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 845 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 827 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 751 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 969 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 805 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 891 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 820 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 753 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 855 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1372 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 822 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 858 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 851 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 931 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 863 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 887 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 862 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 832 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 906 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 794 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 831 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 852 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 873 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 914 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 835 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 839 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 856 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 997 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 959 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 601 Views

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