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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow Send a noteboard - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM
I cannot comment on their state of mind. They dogmatically try and fit the data into the Bell Curve distribution, which simply cannot apply in the way that they wish it to. The evidence refutes it.


I get the impression that what they are disputing is that the distribution of strengths has changed since the Age of Legends.


We need to take a step back to understand that argument.

We have established that a normal distribution (Bell Curve) does not represent channeler strength as demonstrated in the books.

In order to therefore try and solve this problem, I have proposed various potential solutions. ONE of these potential solutions was that the distribution has changed since the Age of Legends.

But that is only a solution proposed to try and make the data fit the Bell Curve requirement. In other words, because the data patently does not represent a Bell Curve TODAY, the only way to make a Bell Curve fit, is to propose that a DIFFERENT distribution applied to it in the Age of Legends.

But that is not necessary if you accept the possibility of a skewed distribution, which by definition then is not a Bell Curve.

A skewed distribution is what you are advocating, and which I firmly believe is a true representation of channeler strength.

But those vocal supporters of the Bell Curve will most certainly not support a skewed distribution. Hence, we are back to square one as far as they are concerned.

This message last edited by Shannow on 29/10/2012 at 11:05:18 AM
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1533 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 917 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1491 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 915 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 769 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 763 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 851 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 754 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 832 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 1055 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 835 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 778 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 796 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 793 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 811 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 842 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 744 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 720 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 747 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 897 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 757 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 698 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 704 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 801 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 704 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 790 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 713 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 730 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 726 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 721 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1460 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 983 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 822 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 681 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1490 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 1023 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 829 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 806 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 670 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 749 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 840 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 388 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 769 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 727 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 727 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 798 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 809 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 830 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 870 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 826 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 853 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 424 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 771 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 710 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 831 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 665 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1318 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 763 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 768 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 711 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 911 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 835 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 836 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 742 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 1074 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 851 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 730 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 863 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 810 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 674 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 976 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 838 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 811 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 820 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 797 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 816 Views
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