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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow Send a noteboard - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM
I cannot comment on their state of mind. They dogmatically try and fit the data into the Bell Curve distribution, which simply cannot apply in the way that they wish it to. The evidence refutes it.


I get the impression that what they are disputing is that the distribution of strengths has changed since the Age of Legends.


We need to take a step back to understand that argument.

We have established that a normal distribution (Bell Curve) does not represent channeler strength as demonstrated in the books.

In order to therefore try and solve this problem, I have proposed various potential solutions. ONE of these potential solutions was that the distribution has changed since the Age of Legends.

But that is only a solution proposed to try and make the data fit the Bell Curve requirement. In other words, because the data patently does not represent a Bell Curve TODAY, the only way to make a Bell Curve fit, is to propose that a DIFFERENT distribution applied to it in the Age of Legends.

But that is not necessary if you accept the possibility of a skewed distribution, which by definition then is not a Bell Curve.

A skewed distribution is what you are advocating, and which I firmly believe is a true representation of channeler strength.

But those vocal supporters of the Bell Curve will most certainly not support a skewed distribution. Hence, we are back to square one as far as they are concerned.

This message last edited by Shannow on 29/10/2012 at 11:05:18 AM
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1790 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 1142 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1722 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 1114 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 959 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 947 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 1063 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 941 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 1036 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 1291 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 1054 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 1001 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 981 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 980 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 1004 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 1045 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 954 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 938 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 943 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 1126 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 936 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 882 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 911 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 992 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 911 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 998 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 925 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 924 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 912 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 901 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1703 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 1212 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 1028 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 877 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1700 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 1280 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 1025 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 1049 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 853 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 947 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 1030 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 490 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 1007 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 911 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 930 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 986 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 1013 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 1059 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 1088 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 1076 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1067 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 555 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 986 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 904 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 1021 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 861 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1526 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 962 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 981 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 922 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 1118 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 1042 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 1041 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 938 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 1286 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 1055 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 927 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 1090 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 1031 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 907 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 1218 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 1085 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 1071 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 1043 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 1015 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 1029 Views
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