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You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM


That depends on what controls channeling, doesn't it? if it's genetic, is it completely unlikely that it's controlled by more than one gene, and that having two parents with the right genes could make potentially make you a stronger channeler than having just one parent with those genes? And if channeling is controlled by the soul, who is to say which souls the pattern spins out? If there are ages when channeling is unknown, why not ages when channelers are weaker?

Its soul based. Both transmigrated Foresaken and the one known definite rebirth of a soul have exactly the same strength they had before. Heck, a male Foresaken in a female body still channeled saidin. Genetics allows you to channel or not. It has nothing to do with how strong you are.
Also, I don't know if anyone has done this before, but I made a plot of the famous bell curve, by using <a href="http://13depository.blogspot.no/2009/02/saidar-strength-ranking.html">data from the Thirteenth Depository</a>, not including the female Forsaken. Assuming that those data are correct, and that this is a sufficiently large sample, I would say it seems to peak somewhat below the middle. Also, large numbers of novices and accepted are sent away without becoming Aes Sedai. If they are sent away because they are too weak, the peak would be even lower than this chart suggests.

Yeah, that's all wrong. For one thing, RJ said strength is distributed over a bell curve, not strength levels. You're plotting the wrong data points.

That said, obviously each level corresponds to a range on the strength scale (whatever it was in RJ's, we can take it to be 1-100 and it will still work the same). The 21 levels are distributed over this scale. We don't know if each level represents an equal interval in the strength scale, but assuming we do, we'd expect a peak around 10/11, which is where you find it. However, you also need to note that the sampling in that list is atrocious. We tend to see and hear more about stronger Aes Sedai and very little about women too weak to become AS. That definitely causes skewing. Plus, the list is very subjective, and tries to make quantitative differences between "strong" and "very strong" and such terms.

To me, it looks like the average strength today is at something like a third of Lanfear's strength. This in itself doesn't prove anything, and with very little data available from the Age of Legends, I don't see how it's possible to make any solid claims about the distribution being different or not.

RJ spoke of the same bell curve holding now. He said strength was distributed over a bell curve. That 67.5% of channelers in that curve would be strong enough to be Aes Sedai. That this is true only in the modern age, since in the AoL, anyone</> could become Aes Sedai. There's no doubt at all that its the same bell curve.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2768 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 686 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 940 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1095 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1023 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 749 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1030 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1249 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1073 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1121 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1111 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1108 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1019 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 977 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1051 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 601 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1162 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 855 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1185 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 918 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1011 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 966 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1024 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 956 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1021 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 970 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 892 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 895 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 901 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 957 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 949 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 873 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 971 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 955 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 985 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1046 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 738 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1041 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 880 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 928 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 945 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 856 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 846 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 822 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1025 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 793 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 943 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1023 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 787 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 913 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 804 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 842 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 805 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 930 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 932 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 817 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 863 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 853 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 855 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 886 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1217 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 904 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 961 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 882 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 861 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 836 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 845 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 837 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 843 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 882 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 885 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 897 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 850 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 832 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 815 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 809 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 960 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 809 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 866 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 813 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 960 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 810 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 845 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 827 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 751 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 969 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 805 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 891 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 820 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 753 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 855 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1372 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 823 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 858 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 851 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 931 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 864 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 887 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 862 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 832 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 906 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 794 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 831 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 852 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 874 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 914 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 835 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 839 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 856 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 998 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 959 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 601 Views

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