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Agreed Sidious Send a noteboard - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM
With Cadsuane mid-to-high 30s, Eg/Avi/El at 40, Nynaeve at 65, etc. Androl, meanwhile, is probably around 4 or 5. I see him as similar to Morgase, only a little more powerful.


I would agree with this.

Egwene said that she would need to link with Romanda and Lelaine to be able to challenge one of the Forsaken, and she's directly been exposed to Lanfear's strength. It seems that in a circle of three, Egwene and those two women equal approximately Lanfear's strength. This is similar to a mixed circle of three equaling Demandred's power, and also similar to Moiraine's statement that Egwene and Aviendha together would equal a Forsaken in strength. The only logical ratios are Moiraine/Romanda/Lelaine on 25 and Egwene/Flinn on 50.

There is no way in hell Moiraine is 60% as strong as Lanfear. If Rand can match any three women who are not Forsaken strength then all of those women must be below 50 in power. Kiruna believes that six Aes Sedai would not be able to take Rand and she backs this up with evidence that previous False Dragons of great power could not be overwhelmed and were often killed or stilled if only six went for them. You'd have to be dimwitted to think that six women have a combined strength of approximately 300 and cannot overwhelm men of a third of that strength. Its much more likely that six women have similar strength to one high powered male and can barely match him. Five women can hardly hold a shield on Logain - imagine actually matching his channeling power.

Moiraine's strength is 30 at best, especially because Aviendha tells Egwene that she is more powerful than Amys and Melaine combined, and both are women with significant strength. What is Egwene's strength... 100?

Androl's strength is probably 5 (he's more like Sorilea and can channel fully, unlike Morgase who's not really a channeler with her negligible weakness). If he links with someone whose strength is 24 he will be exposed to many magnitudes of his own natural strength. It substantiates little regarding Pevara's strength and considering she's close to Moiraine in strength, its likely she's stronger than most Asha'man.

Most men and women lie between 10 and 20 in strength. Higher values can't be substantiated by the majority of the quotes in the series.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2848 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 721 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 977 Views
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did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 832 Views
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How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1271 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 994 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1085 Views
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Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1050 Views
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Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 967 Views
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Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 784 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1131 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 917 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 996 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1018 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 920 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 932 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 889 Views
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So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 872 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1020 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1099 Views
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You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 877 Views
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I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 871 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1002 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1013 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 895 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 943 Views
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Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 942 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 963 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1290 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 976 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1040 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 926 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 929 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 920 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 925 Views
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You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 914 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 943 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 954 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 978 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 921 Views
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Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 893 Views
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Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 886 Views
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Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1036 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 879 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 955 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 898 Views
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Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 936 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1448 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 892 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 936 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 931 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1004 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 952 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 947 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 940 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 903 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 978 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 869 Views
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Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 950 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 980 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 912 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 913 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 935 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1085 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1035 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 632 Views

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