Sorilea would have not been able to disarm Cadsuane's wards. Both inverted and likely too strong
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/10/2012 07:35:22 PM
I wasn't talking about the poison ... although that could be seen a s a very cleverly disguised action since she was instructing Verin on how to use a powerful sleeping potion. Anyone who heard this would know Sorilea gave explicit instructions on proper use:
Winter's Heart
Wonderful News
The door to the hall opened to admit Verin and Sorilea. The leathery, white-haired Aiel woman handed something small to Verin that the Brown tucked into her belt pouch. Verin was wearing a flowered brooch on her simple bronze-colored dress, the first jewelry Cadsuane had ever seen on her aside from her Great Serpent ring.
"That will help you sleep," Sorilea said, "but remember, just three drops in water or one in wine. A little more, and you might sleep a day or longer. Much more, and you will not wake. There is no taste to warn you, so you must be careful."
I meant the statement Verin makes about Sorilea:
Winter's Heart
Wonderful News
The remaining four sisters in front of the fireplace rose with alacrity at her approach, made deep curtsies, and listened carefully to what she told them in a low voice with much finger shaking. Sorilea might think she had much to teach them, but they had already learned that an Aes Sedai shawl offered no protection to a Wise One's apprentice. Toh seemed a great deal like penance to Cadsuane.
"She is ... formidable," Verin murmured. "I am very glad she is on our side. If she is."
Cadsuane gave her a sharp look. "You have the appearance of a woman with something to say that you don't want to. About Sorilea?" That alliance was very vaguely denned. Friendship or no friendship, she and the Wise One still might turn out to be aiming at different goals.
Between knowing Verin's mission and seeing Cadsuane's reaction ... and the last statement in Cadsuane's mind "aiming at different goals" ... I tend to fall on the Sorilea as a DF side. Certainly nothing definitive, but I don't recall ever seeing anything as overt as this to implicate Bair. Certainly she has been in the right place at the right time throughout the series, but I find that case to be less strong.
Honestly, I'd be somewhat surprised if either of them turns out to be a DF ... IMO if a DF WO is out there it may be one of the less relevant ones.
Winter's Heart
Wonderful News
The door to the hall opened to admit Verin and Sorilea. The leathery, white-haired Aiel woman handed something small to Verin that the Brown tucked into her belt pouch. Verin was wearing a flowered brooch on her simple bronze-colored dress, the first jewelry Cadsuane had ever seen on her aside from her Great Serpent ring.
"That will help you sleep," Sorilea said, "but remember, just three drops in water or one in wine. A little more, and you might sleep a day or longer. Much more, and you will not wake. There is no taste to warn you, so you must be careful."
I meant the statement Verin makes about Sorilea:
Winter's Heart
Wonderful News
The remaining four sisters in front of the fireplace rose with alacrity at her approach, made deep curtsies, and listened carefully to what she told them in a low voice with much finger shaking. Sorilea might think she had much to teach them, but they had already learned that an Aes Sedai shawl offered no protection to a Wise One's apprentice. Toh seemed a great deal like penance to Cadsuane.
"She is ... formidable," Verin murmured. "I am very glad she is on our side. If she is."
Cadsuane gave her a sharp look. "You have the appearance of a woman with something to say that you don't want to. About Sorilea?" That alliance was very vaguely denned. Friendship or no friendship, she and the Wise One still might turn out to be aiming at different goals.
Between knowing Verin's mission and seeing Cadsuane's reaction ... and the last statement in Cadsuane's mind "aiming at different goals" ... I tend to fall on the Sorilea as a DF side. Certainly nothing definitive, but I don't recall ever seeing anything as overt as this to implicate Bair. Certainly she has been in the right place at the right time throughout the series, but I find that case to be less strong.
Honestly, I'd be somewhat surprised if either of them turns out to be a DF ... IMO if a DF WO is out there it may be one of the less relevant ones.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Misc observations from my latest re-read
- 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM
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How does LTT know about Far Madding's history?
- 14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM
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Re: How does LTT know about Far Madding's history?
- 14/10/2012 09:23:24 PM
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Knowing the post Breaking history of the Guardians and speaking of the city as though he had persona
- 14/10/2012 09:56:55 PM
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How Stong was Gitara?
- 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM
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So so stong. She had incredible stength.
- 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM
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Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live
- 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM
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Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live
- 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM
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Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository
- 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM
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Not interested in Linda's private theories.
- 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM
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Not my problem if you are that lazy. All the quotes you want are nicely organized
- 15/10/2012 02:50:45 AM
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Problem is...
- 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM
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Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear
- 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM
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Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities!
- 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM
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Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up
- 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM
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Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up
- 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM
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Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend
- 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM
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How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai?
- 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM
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He was banging the queen
- 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM
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And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen?
- 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM
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here ya go
- 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM
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Re: Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities!
- 15/10/2012 10:38:16 AM
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Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear
- 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM
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The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all
- 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM
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IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR
- 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM
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Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV
- 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM
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Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors!
- 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM
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So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower?
- 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM
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She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself...
- 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM
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Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed
- 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM
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You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship
- 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM
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Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her
- 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM
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We know nothing of the sort.
- 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM
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Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned
- 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM
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Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned
- 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM
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Egwene said otherwise DomA,...
- 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM
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And an answer to the rest of your "points"
- 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM
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Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy
- 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM
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The burden of proof is on you to make your points. There is nothing in the books.
- 15/10/2012 03:01:46 AM
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You mean the only way she could avoid become Queen was to flee?
- 15/10/2012 03:30:26 AM
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And never ever face discipline or punishment for fleeing? Outside the Tower, she was on her own.
- 15/10/2012 03:40:23 AM
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I'm not using her theory, I'm saying she posted all the damn quotes in one place
- 15/10/2012 03:57:00 AM
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You don't see how evading the Tower's authority for 10 years undermines YOUR position?
- 15/10/2012 05:21:29 AM
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Nope. It substantiates that the Tower will exert itself to ensure its Political standing
- 15/10/2012 05:41:33 AM
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Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote:
- 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM
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Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan
- 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM
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To quote you RTDB
- 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM
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And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page 
*NM*
- 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM
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*NM*
- 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM
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How old was Lanfear?
- 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM
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Re: How old was Lanfear?
- 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM
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I couldn't find it
- 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM
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It's in the Fires of Heaven, when Lanfear visits Rand and he remembers her as Mierin. *NM*
- 20/10/2012 04:19:09 AM
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Are the Seanchan prophesies false?
- 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM
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I've only been saying no for years.
- 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM
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Not the same thing
- 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM
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Show me some damn PROOF already!!
- 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM
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I believe DomA covered this in his post
- 15/10/2012 03:31:54 AM
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Illogic, arguments from (false) authority and now ad hominem attacks.
- 15/10/2012 03:46:49 AM
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I just don't see the point of an argument with someone who has already been proven wrong
- 15/10/2012 03:59:19 AM
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The frequently-confessing-ignorance, can't-keep-track-of-what-he-wrote ghostwriter, you mean.
- 15/10/2012 05:28:50 AM
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Touché ... But to DomA's point we'll likely get some resolution in AMoL *NM*
- 15/10/2012 05:53:14 AM
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Your argument is based on a faulty premise.
- 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM
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That could also mean the same KC prophesies were is Seanchan before Luthair came along
- 16/10/2012 12:54:07 AM
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Of course there is truth...
- 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM
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Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing
- 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM
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Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing
- 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM
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Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does
- 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM
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How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are?
- 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM
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Who says they can't?
- 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM
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True to a point
- 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM
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Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC.
- 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM
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Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC.
- 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM
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But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC?
- 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM
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Galina isn't young. *NM*
- 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM
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Yes she is
- 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM
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85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS"
- 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM
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She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO
- 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM
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You mean the SC?
- 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM
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No others meet as well
- 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM
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Re: No others meet as well
- 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM
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Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating
- 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM
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Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating
- 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM
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I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups
- 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM
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Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups
- 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM
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I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve
- 15/10/2012 03:01:20 PM
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Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve
- 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM
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I have a different opinion of Delana
- 16/10/2012 01:20:32 AM
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Re: I have a different opinion of Delana
- 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM
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Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC
- 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM
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- 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM
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Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts
- 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM
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Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts
- 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM
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Not a good plan, I'll give you that
- 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM
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Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC
- 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM
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Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail
- 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM
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Surely, in part, this is how Verin figured out who the Black Ajah was
- 15/10/2012 05:10:25 PM
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Is there a Dark Friend WO?
- 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM
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I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well
- 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM
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Just a note about Bair
- 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM
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The traps were defeated by Elza before freed Semirhage
- 18/10/2012 02:53:17 PM
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Re: The traps were defeated by Elza before freed Semirhage
- 18/10/2012 07:06:13 PM
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Sorilea would have not been able to disarm Cadsuane's wards. Both inverted and likely too strong
- 18/10/2012 07:35:22 PM
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No, she would not have been able to (nor even see them to report about them)
- 18/10/2012 09:32:38 PM
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Verin's goal was to dig out the BA. A WO would have been nothing more than a momentary
- 19/10/2012 04:11:51 AM
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I don't see how it could be possible
- 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM
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It's certainly possible, though it might contribute to making it rather rare
- 23/10/2012 10:55:07 PM
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good point especially when you consider the Aiel view on pain and death
- 25/10/2012 06:14:40 PM
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Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers?
- 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM
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Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers?
- 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM
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Totally pointless, just looking to spark some conversation on the board!
- 15/10/2012 12:23:34 AM
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But how often in real life does that happen? Alanis Morissette taught us about death row pardons *NM*
- 17/10/2012 12:27:45 AM
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