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Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! Cannoli Send a noteboard - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM
Rands various groups,
Ambassadors. Elaida's group offered him a choice to replace Moiraine who was the closest thing he had to an adviser! Coiren even took herself (the official ambassador) out of the running from the start!

Ebou Dar (both sets).
None of them were advisers, they were ambassadors. They were an EMBASSY, officially speaking for the Tower. Tylin makes a distinction between them and her former adviser.

Tenobia had one sent
And how'd that work out? Anyway, she was sent to work for the Tower, they might have used the words advise, but those groups were also referred to as ambassadors in a later book when it was said that the monarchs were avoiding the Tower's ambassadors. There is no proof that this was the case with Andor.

and I believe one of the other Borderland monarchs noted that their old advisor was recalled
And they know what is going on in the Tower? Enough to be absolutely correct in knowing the difference between their advisers making excuses because they were running home to take care of Tower politics? The hell they do. Also, they regarded the replacements with some resentment, suggesting this is not the usual practice. The administration sending these sisters out are not noted for good judgment about the limits of the willingness of people to accept changes of authority anyway. RJ himself said Elaida miscalculated the actual authority an Amyrlin has to ram stuff down people's throats. Just because she thinks she can dictate ambassadors does not mean the Tower had any say in previous services.

and a new one sent to them. I very much doubt Annoura and Berelain were buddies prior to Annoura being sent to Mayene.
Who says she was sent? Where does it say she was sent rather than chosen by Berelain? Besides, you have repeatedly proven so ignorant of statecraft, history, politics, etc as well as extraordinarily liberal in your interpretations of the meaning of quotes from the books, that your doubts are not to be taken seriously.

In fact the ONLY thing Elaida had was strength in the power and a small friendship with Morgase. She had been AS for less than a year when she took the job and had only 6 years of training prior to that.
Which suggests the Tower had nothing to do with her appointment. It was all Morgase's choice.
Cannoli
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Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1000 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. Cannoli - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1150 Views
Not my problem if you are that lazy. All the quotes you want are nicely organized darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 02:50:45 AM 1004 Views
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Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! Cannoli - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 983 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 926 Views
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Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! Cannoli - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1019 Views
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