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IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR Cannoli Send a noteboard - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM
Strength plays a huge role in almost every AS decision, even if its on a subconscious level. At least Siuan seems to have held other administrative roles in the Tower prior to her selection as Amyrlin. Elaida had basically no experience and landed what was probably the most influential role outside of TV at that time.


And it means nothing the Tower scheme of things! She got it from MORGASE. She was an Aes Sedai, and she helped Morgase before Morgase had the throne. By Andoran standards that is more than sufficiently qualified. Outsiders are almost certainly discouraged from making qualitative distinctions among sisters. "She is an Aes Sedai and that is all you need to know," would be the only acceptable answer in keeping with their oft-cited practice of presenting a united front to the world, to an outsider who tried to pick one over the other by Tower standards, such as strength.

And the Aes Sedai practice of non-interference would have prevented anyone from butting into Elaida's business unless she was steering Morgase to disaster.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

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Misc observations from my latest re-read darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM 3065 Views
How does LTT know about Far Madding's history? darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM 1639 Views
Re: How does LTT know about Far Madding's history? DomA - 14/10/2012 09:23:24 PM 1646 Views
Knowing the post Breaking history of the Guardians and speaking of the city as though he had persona darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 09:56:55 PM 1357 Views
Re: Knowing the post Breaking history of the Guardians DomA - 14/10/2012 11:12:05 PM 1460 Views
How Stong was Gitara? darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM 1569 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength. Cannoli - 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM 1595 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM 1395 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live Cannoli - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 1207 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1217 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. Cannoli - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1371 Views
Not my problem if you are that lazy. All the quotes you want are nicely organized darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 02:50:45 AM 1222 Views
And there's Sorilea... DomA - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1436 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 1186 Views
Problem is... DomA - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1325 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 1204 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! Cannoli - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 1210 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1148 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up Cannoli - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1272 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM 1121 Views
How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai? Cannoli - 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM 1233 Views
He was banging the queen darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 1142 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen? Cannoli - 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM 1434 Views
here ya go darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1271 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" Cannoli - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 1191 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 1137 Views
Re: Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! Sidious - 15/10/2012 10:38:16 AM 1085 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear DomA - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1281 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 1189 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR Cannoli - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 1255 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 1201 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! Cannoli - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1255 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 1198 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! Cannoli - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1250 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 795 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... DomA - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 1198 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 1206 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship Cannoli - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1316 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 1151 Views
We know nothing of the sort. Cannoli - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 1164 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1249 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned DomA - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1264 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... fionwe1987 - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 1222 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... DomA - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1300 Views
Just to be clear darius_sedai - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 1139 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... fionwe1987 - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1228 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this Zeratul - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 1177 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" Cannoli - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1409 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 1193 Views
The burden of proof is on you to make your points. There is nothing in the books. Cannoli - 15/10/2012 03:01:46 AM 1232 Views
You mean the only way she could avoid become Queen was to flee? darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:30:26 AM 1268 Views
And never ever face discipline or punishment for fleeing? Outside the Tower, she was on her own. Cannoli - 15/10/2012 03:40:23 AM 1192 Views
I'm not using her theory, I'm saying she posted all the damn quotes in one place darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:57:00 AM 1201 Views
You don't see how evading the Tower's authority for 10 years undermines YOUR position? Cannoli - 15/10/2012 05:21:29 AM 1108 Views
Nope. It substantiates that the Tower will exert itself to ensure its Political standing darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 05:41:33 AM 1151 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: fionwe1987 - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1306 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan Cannoli - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 1162 Views
To quote you RTDB darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 1131 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB Cannoli - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 1209 Views
Some people look young. darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 1105 Views
I never mentioned the OR... fionwe1987 - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 1219 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged darius_sedai - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 1039 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 709 Views
Told you so. *NM* Cannoli - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 801 Views
I think so. linda_sedai - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1358 Views
Aging Kieran - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 1284 Views
How old was Lanfear? darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM 1250 Views
Re: How old was Lanfear? DomA - 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM 1292 Views
I couldn't find it darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 1194 Views
It's in the Fires of Heaven, when Lanfear visits Rand and he remembers her as Mierin. *NM* ImmanuelXavier - 20/10/2012 04:19:09 AM 781 Views
Are the Seanchan prophesies false? darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM 1379 Views
I've only been saying no for years. Cannoli - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1438 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 1187 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! Cannoli - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1367 Views
I believe DomA covered this in his post darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:31:54 AM 1165 Views
Illogic, arguments from (false) authority and now ad hominem attacks. Cannoli - 15/10/2012 03:46:49 AM 1151 Views
I just don't see the point of an argument with someone who has already been proven wrong darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:59:19 AM 1177 Views
The frequently-confessing-ignorance, can't-keep-track-of-what-he-wrote ghostwriter, you mean. Cannoli - 15/10/2012 05:28:50 AM 1290 Views
Touché ... But to DomA's point we'll likely get some resolution in AMoL *NM* darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 05:53:14 AM 712 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. DomA - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1471 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. Fanatic-Templar - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 1064 Views
That could also mean the same KC prophesies were is Seanchan before Luthair came along darius_sedai - 16/10/2012 12:54:07 AM 1120 Views
Of course there is truth... DomA - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1292 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1242 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing DomA - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1274 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1340 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are? darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM 1258 Views
Who says they can't? Cannoli - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1242 Views
True to a point darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 1160 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. Cannoli - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 1208 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 1147 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. DomA - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 1244 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 1118 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* DomA - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 777 Views
Yes she is darius_sedai - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1254 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" DomA - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 1230 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO darius_sedai - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 1178 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO DomA - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 1192 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance darius_sedai - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1288 Views
You mean the SC? DomA - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1252 Views
No others meet as well darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1267 Views
Re: No others meet as well DomA - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1231 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 1094 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating DomA - 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM 1213 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 1149 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups DomA - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1277 Views
I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 03:01:20 PM 1059 Views
Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve DomA - 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1381 Views
I have a different opinion of Delana darius_sedai - 16/10/2012 01:20:32 AM 1490 Views
Re: I have a different opinion of Delana DomA - 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM 1168 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC darius_sedai - 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM 1220 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC kHz1000 - 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM 1101 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts darius_sedai - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1241 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts DomA - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 1156 Views
Not a good plan, I'll give you that darius_sedai - 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM 1272 Views
*sigh* DomA - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1216 Views
*double sigh* darius_sedai - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 1171 Views
Re: *double sigh* DomA - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 1184 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 692 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC DomA - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1286 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail darius_sedai - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1280 Views
Not conclusive? DomA - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 1117 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said darius_sedai - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 1082 Views
double post *NM* darius_sedai - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 702 Views
Surely, in part, this is how Verin figured out who the Black Ajah was dadof5 - 15/10/2012 05:10:25 PM 3859 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1334 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? VTHokie - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1343 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well TyrReborn - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 1119 Views
Just a note about Bair redqueen - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1239 Views
The traps were defeated by Elza before freed Semirhage darius_sedai - 18/10/2012 02:53:17 PM 1208 Views
Re: The traps were defeated by Elza before freed Semirhage DomA - 18/10/2012 07:06:13 PM 1403 Views
Sorilea would have not been able to disarm Cadsuane's wards. Both inverted and likely too strong darius_sedai - 18/10/2012 07:35:22 PM 1154 Views
No, she would not have been able to (nor even see them to report about them) DomA - 18/10/2012 09:32:38 PM 1228 Views
Verin's goal was to dig out the BA. A WO would have been nothing more than a momentary darius_sedai - 19/10/2012 04:11:51 AM 1111 Views
I don't see how it could be possible Onarishma - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 1116 Views
It's certainly possible, though it might contribute to making it rather rare DomA - 23/10/2012 10:55:07 PM 1196 Views
good point especially when you consider the Aiel view on pain and death Onarishma - 25/10/2012 06:14:40 PM 1066 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1403 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? redqueen - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1343 Views
Totally pointless, just looking to spark some conversation on the board! darius_sedai - 15/10/2012 12:23:34 AM 1359 Views
But how often in real life does that happen? Alanis Morissette taught us about death row pardons *NM* Evil_Monkey - 17/10/2012 12:27:45 AM 787 Views
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