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Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up Cannoli Send a noteboard - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM
Merana got shoved aside! And her appoint was also meant to be non-threatening to Rand. And the women I. The camp at the time of her appointment where busy trying to establish order. This the Strongest, the Salidar Six along with those about the same level stayed with the camp.

- Merana was shoved aside because none of them recognized the Hall. Verin and Alanna were not really part of the rebels, and Kiruna & Bera left before the Hall was even selected and had no real attachment to their authority. The point in that was that Merana had no recognized authority. Rafela or one of the women stronger than Merana could have shoved her aside (IRRC, she was at the bottom of the Salidar sisters selected by Bera and Kiruna to go on to Cairhien with them, suggesting that Seonid & Masuri were stronger as well. In fact I think Merana actually stated that a couple of her group were equal to Kiruna & Bera. The problem was the lack of official authority, because Kiruna & Bera were there at the beginning, and deep down inside, knew the Hall was not legit, and just a pack of cranks in a village, however good their cause might be. And they had also been officially deputized, in a manner of speaking, being sent out by the authorized council to find Rand. No one overrode any authority, they just filled what they saw as a vacuum of legitimate authority.
- Rand would not know a woman's strength in the least, and the Salidar group had up to date information about his lack of women who could discern strength. They sent their embassy to Caemlyn, where he was known to be WITHOUT a sister or even a Wise One.
- That was not an issue of authority. They had authority based on their strength, because there was no official authority in place. Once they came up with the idea of making fake authority, the strongest sisters maneuvered to grab it because they knew that formal authority would trump their strength.

The Hierarchy applies to every part of AS life, just because deference may be shown to a Sitter or Keeper etc does not mean that women with higher standing aren't considered first for these roles. Just like we see with the Tower embassy. The women in charge are the strongest for the relevant Ajah ... Merana was the strongest for the Grey therefore she was placed in charge. As soon as her authority was challenged by a stronger woman she was ignored.
There is no indication that she was selected based on strength or anything other than qualifications.

Elaida was to strong to be challenged for the role and despite a huge lack of skill in the arena got the job she wanted. Realistically any number of AS would have had vastly more skill as an Advisor than Elaida, why didn't a Grey like Merana get the job?
Because Elaida was the one who befriended Morgase! RtDB.
Cannoli
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Misc observations from my latest re-read - 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM 2827 Views
How does LTT know about Far Madding's history? - 14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM 1404 Views
How Stong was Gitara? - 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM 1309 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength. - 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM 1377 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM 1176 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 1004 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1010 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1157 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1220 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 971 Views
Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1133 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 969 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 992 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 935 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1082 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend - 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM 908 Views
How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai? - 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM 993 Views
He was banging the queen - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 951 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen? - 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM 1196 Views
here ya go - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1051 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 982 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 920 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1034 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 977 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 992 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 976 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1030 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 949 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1044 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 667 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 977 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 989 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1105 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 923 Views
We know nothing of the sort. - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 917 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1019 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1040 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 1000 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1084 Views
Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 924 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1018 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 971 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1178 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 977 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1061 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 979 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 925 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 994 Views
Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 888 Views
I never mentioned the OR... - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 996 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 821 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 593 Views
Told you so. *NM* - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 695 Views
I think so. - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1151 Views
Aging - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 994 Views
How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM 1012 Views
Re: How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM 1109 Views
I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 1004 Views
Are the Seanchan prophesies false? - 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM 1161 Views
I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1213 Views
Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 989 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1133 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1198 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 851 Views
Of course there is truth... - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1077 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1031 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1028 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1116 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are? - 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM 1021 Views
Who says they can't? - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1023 Views
True to a point - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 920 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 988 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 939 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 994 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 886 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 675 Views
Yes she is - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1032 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 1004 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 948 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 996 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1065 Views
You mean the SC? - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1039 Views
No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1041 Views
Re: No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1007 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 889 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM 952 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 918 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1034 Views
I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 03:01:20 PM 850 Views
Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1137 Views
I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 01:20:32 AM 1184 Views
Re: I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM 938 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM 1002 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM 875 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1013 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 931 Views
Not a good plan, I'll give you that - 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM 1072 Views
*sigh* - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1016 Views
*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 944 Views
Re: *double sigh* - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 967 Views
Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 587 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1051 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1029 Views
Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 898 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 890 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 586 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1091 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1120 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 894 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1026 Views
I don't see how it could be possible - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 899 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1172 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1096 Views

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