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And an answer to the rest of your "points" Cannoli Send a noteboard - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM
Also Semirhage made note of the cutting of lifetime thanks to the Binder, it's one of the reasons she fled.

I am fully aware of that. I acknowledged the effects of the binder, I simply am stating that it is not absolutely given that the binder cuts your life in half. She never even absolutely states that life is shortened, only that she would feel the end approaching. "...to be bound never to know her pleasures again, and with that binding be able to see the end of life approach..."

Elayne and Egwene and Nynaeve discuss losing half their lives after they deduce the effect based on the Kin.

That's only comparing Aes Sedai longevity to the Kin. It's an extrapolation from incomplete data, not absolute knowledge. And there is nothing that says stronger sisters live longer. Elayne just says that she isn't happy about the idea of cutting her life in half - she was speaking figuratively, not precisely and it was only an approximate. As I said, there is no proof one way or another that the binding shortens your life span by a relative or absolute amount. Maybe it cuts EVERYONE down to about 300 years or maybe it halves your remaining life expectancy. In that SAME conversation, they raised the possibility of a woman who is past the 300 year mark dying if she were to be bound by the Oath Rod. The conversation YOU cite as proof is one in which they admit ignorance.

The punishment in the AoL was about being bound and losing part of your longevity, when you are dealing with people who can live for 700-800 years what difference does it make if they chop 350 or 400 years off that life? It's a huge punishment no matter how you look at it.
But that sentence is still extrapolation based on assumptions. There is no hard and fast proof anywhere in the text of the exact effect and the rules for it.

Strength is not irrelevant to an official posting. Joline and Teslyn noted the intentional insult of being placed in a backwater Court.
Because they were Sitters and were experienced sisters and had supported Elaida in her rise to the Amyrlin Seat. There is not one word in that PoV of Joline where she is contemplating that insult that she expected better due to her strength.

In a later book, Egwene believes that a group sent out to check on the Cleansing were not very strong, when she believed that they should have sent the strongest, only to discover it was based on skills. Merana is not particularly strong, and heads the embassy over several stronger sisters, and there were a number of weaker women as well.

Certainly Elaida's motivations were based on her Talent ... And likely Gitara's as well, but had they been women as weak as Hattori do you think they would have been allowed to be Advisor to the most powerful monarch in the land? How many times have we seen weak AS given more than menial tasks? Strength in the power brings trust from other Sisters and the ruling body of AS.
And that might mean the slightest thing IF there was ANY proof that ANYONE from the Tower had a hand in their appointments! Elaida's own recollections are that it was HER choice to seek the job and she did so by attaching herself to Morgase once she realized Morgase was going to win the Succession. Not one word about her appointment or receiving permission. The Tower does not select Aes Sedai advisers, the rulers do. The Tower might choose who would represent the Tower's interests as ambassadors, but the ruler chooses whom he or she will take advice from.

Stupid, YES, but it's the reality of their hierarchy. Certainly most monarchs would have no clue that having a weak Sister for advisor was an insult, but given AS proclivities no weak Sister would be placed as Morgase's advisor, no matter how much she wanted the job.
And there is not the slightest evidence that ANYONE is "placed" or that it is ordained by Tower authorities.
Cannoli
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Misc observations from my latest re-read - 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM 2827 Views
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How Stong was Gitara? - 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM 1309 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength. - 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM 1377 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM 1175 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 1003 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1009 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1156 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1219 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 970 Views
Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1132 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 968 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 991 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 934 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1081 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend - 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM 907 Views
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He was banging the queen - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 950 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen? - 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM 1195 Views
here ya go - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1050 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 981 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 919 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1033 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 976 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 992 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 976 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1029 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 948 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1043 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 667 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 976 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 989 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1105 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 922 Views
We know nothing of the sort. - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 917 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1018 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1039 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 999 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1083 Views
Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 923 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1017 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 971 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1178 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 977 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1060 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 978 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 925 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 993 Views
Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 887 Views
I never mentioned the OR... - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 995 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 821 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 592 Views
Told you so. *NM* - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 694 Views
I think so. - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1151 Views
Aging - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 993 Views
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I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 1003 Views
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I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1212 Views
Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 988 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1133 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1197 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 850 Views
Of course there is truth... - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1076 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1031 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1027 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1115 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are? - 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM 1021 Views
Who says they can't? - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1022 Views
True to a point - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 919 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 988 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 938 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 994 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 885 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 674 Views
Yes she is - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1031 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 1003 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 947 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 995 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1065 Views
You mean the SC? - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1038 Views
No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1041 Views
Re: No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1006 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 889 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM 951 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 918 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1034 Views
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Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1136 Views
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Re: I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM 938 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM 1001 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM 875 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1012 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 930 Views
Not a good plan, I'll give you that - 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM 1071 Views
*sigh* - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1015 Views
*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 943 Views
Re: *double sigh* - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 967 Views
Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 587 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1050 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1028 Views
Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 898 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 889 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 585 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1090 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1119 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 893 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1026 Views
I don't see how it could be possible - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 898 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1171 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1096 Views

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