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Re: I've only been saying no for years. DomA Send a noteboard - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM
The difference cited by the Seanchan is that the wetlanders' prophecy does not mention Rand kneeling to the Crystal Throne, which theirs does.


More precisely, they've mentionned many differences but the character who mentionned this fact only pointed that specific example, it has to be fundamental in Seanchan, like one of the most important verse of the whole thing.

It can be as simple as the fact that neither version is comprehensive (and I have nothing to indicate they are, and much suggesting the opposite)


There is that in part, and it's not theory but fact. The KC was foretold from the late days of the WOS (yeah, before the Strike) to the early post-Breaking. Therefore, beyond a certain point during the Breaking, the two collections would have started to differ, as they had different contributors the other continent never heard about.

The Seanchan prophecies also include many Foretellings made by damane later. The KC there is part of a larger ensemble of Prophecies collected as the Essanik Cycle. It seemingly includes Prophecies of the Return and so on.

As for corruptions in the Seanchan KC, however, Brandon has already confirmed they exist. He's confirmed that "there has been tampering" with the KC.

, and no one on this side of the Ocean understood the significance of the Foretelling to include it.


Based on what RJ said of the KC, that doesn't make much sense. It's more likely to include many verses mistakingly thought to relate to the LB than that any foretelling would have been rejected, especially not one mentionning the Dragon Reborn. It could be, of course, that the verse is legit but has been foretold in Seanchan.

Or it could refer to the same event in different words.


Again, that would more likely in translations.. the Westlands has tons beside a version referred to as "the Old Tongue original". The WT as an institution would have made it fairly difficult to alter the original, mistakes of copists aside.

Seanchan has an "official version". We know the other versions, considered "corrupted" have been outlawed during the Consolidation. Most likely, Luthair imposed the Westlands' version he brought with him (and if Ishamael tampered with the Seanchan KC, it's probably the way it happened: by giving Luthair a copy with the corruptions), and scholars in his time or later colliged all the other local prophecies to form the Essanik Cycle.

As for the ridiculousness of Ishamael basing a strategy on minor alterations of a thousand-year-old prophecy, the less said the better.


Except of course Ishamael claims sending Hawkwing's heir oversea was part of a larger scheme (we know there have been prophecies of their return... despite the WT not acknowledging them as prophecies...), and while his word can't be trusted there remains the fact we know Ishamael was Hawking's advisors when those plans of conquest were made. There's too much there for this to be a complete red herring. There's some truth to plans of Ishamael for the Seanchan and tampering with prophecies.

And it's far from ridiculous... Ishamael could have done a lot of damage in the Westlands too if he had been able to introduce or alter some key verses of the KC.. the one proclaiming the Dragon true if he took Callandor, for instance.

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Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1232 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1296 Views
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Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1202 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 1044 Views
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Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1113 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 1053 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 1072 Views
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So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 1016 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1104 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 697 Views
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You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1189 Views
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Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1096 Views
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Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 999 Views
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And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1257 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 1047 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1141 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 1025 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 996 Views
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Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 963 Views
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And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 630 Views
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I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 1073 Views
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I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1282 Views
Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 1063 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1215 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1280 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 920 Views
Of course there is truth... - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1152 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1115 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1103 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1200 Views
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Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 1012 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 1080 Views
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Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 708 Views
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*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 1026 Views
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Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 619 Views
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Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 992 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 959 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 622 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1167 Views
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I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 970 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1102 Views
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Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1250 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1191 Views

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