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You have waffled back and forth on Traveling being a Talent darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/10/2012 03:01:03 AM
Flow affinity and Talent are different things. You are trying to play it both ways. You claim Androl has a Talent, but no one else (despite tons of evidence) does ... regardless or that you STILL CAN'T determine how strong a channeler is based on a gateway's size. There are OBVIOUSLY people who can create larger ones than their strength indicates they should be able to and people with plenty of strength who struggle with it. It doesn't matter WHY ... it exists therefore it makes it impossible to judge strength from a gateway.

Androl is the proof that the Talent trumps strength. Asmodean didn't need to lie, we have the example right here in the text showing us that strength is not the key factor.

Why is this so difficult to accept?
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Problems with gateways Narg - 28/09/2012 05:02:47 PM 2805 Views
Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it. *NM* Tom - 28/09/2012 05:47:13 PM 618 Views
Yeah, I realize that raising physics questions about fantasy books can be absurd... Narg - 28/09/2012 06:03:05 PM 1014 Views
It's been discussed before... DomA - 28/09/2012 06:04:35 PM 1352 Views
I would agree with this A Deathwatch Guard - 28/09/2012 06:35:14 PM 1019 Views
Re: I would agree with this DomA - 28/09/2012 06:56:57 PM 1163 Views
Egwene would likely also know since she puzzled it out as well darius_sedai - 28/09/2012 07:28:22 PM 1123 Views
Especially when opening a gateway into a void like in Skimming (though that is probably T'A'R too) Onarishma - 04/10/2012 03:13:29 PM 1037 Views
Regarding shadowspawn: Narg - 28/09/2012 07:19:38 PM 1299 Views
Isn't there a quote somewhere about this? darius_sedai - 28/09/2012 07:30:40 PM 1153 Views
There is echooff - 28/09/2012 07:52:30 PM 1030 Views
Can Fain pass through a Gateway? Marshall - 28/09/2012 08:11:59 PM 1072 Views
Re: Can Fain pass through a Gateway? DomA - 02/10/2012 02:37:58 AM 1051 Views
Here's a neat idea Marshall - 28/09/2012 08:07:52 PM 1194 Views
Found an interesting quote when I was looking into something else darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 12:57:21 AM 840 Views
I don't think RJ thought about it Sidious - 28/09/2012 07:44:34 PM 1053 Views
Absurd question... fionwe1987 - 28/09/2012 10:44:53 PM 1079 Views
Doesn't it meet your standards? Sidious - 29/09/2012 07:47:12 AM 1152 Views
Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... fionwe1987 - 28/09/2012 11:02:39 PM 1251 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... LoialT - 28/09/2012 11:12:54 PM 1061 Views
Wow, that makes a lot of sense. *NM* Dreadlord - 01/10/2012 07:30:22 PM 546 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... DomA - 01/10/2012 09:03:47 PM 1269 Views
Androl throws a kink in this darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 01:14:16 AM 1044 Views
Re: Androl throws a kink in this DomA - 02/10/2012 02:30:23 AM 1214 Views
He said he can make one large enough for a Wagon to pass through darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 03:23:26 AM 963 Views
Gateway Talent I'd say Sidious - 02/10/2012 08:55:26 AM 1061 Views
I think Androl is proof that gateways are more about a the Talent than strength darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 09:00:26 AM 1095 Views
No I think they're more about strength Sidious - 02/10/2012 09:27:17 AM 1229 Views
I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 04:47:59 PM 1032 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this Sidious - 03/10/2012 07:04:11 AM 1073 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this fionwe1987 - 03/10/2012 07:43:12 AM 1084 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this Sidious - 03/10/2012 09:59:13 AM 1051 Views
Egwene could not heal Gawyn darius_sedai - 03/10/2012 02:34:08 PM 1127 Views
She did Heal him Sidious - 04/10/2012 08:30:14 AM 1017 Views
and *gasp* maybe breeding. Onarishma - 04/10/2012 05:36:59 PM 1030 Views
Re-read some stuff darius_sedai - 04/10/2012 07:57:50 PM 1080 Views
Re: Re-read some stuff Sidious - 05/10/2012 08:22:06 AM 905 Views
Um she tries out of desperation? darius_sedai - 05/10/2012 03:06:59 PM 1064 Views
Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct darius_sedai - 03/10/2012 02:13:08 PM 1285 Views
But his thought processes are sound Sidious - 04/10/2012 08:20:13 AM 963 Views
It's in Chapter 5 of TGS darius_sedai - 04/10/2012 09:48:49 PM 1057 Views
Re: It's in Chapter 5 of TGS Sidious - 05/10/2012 08:28:13 AM 986 Views
Why was Flinn so late and why bring up his Gateway? darius_sedai - 05/10/2012 04:15:47 PM 1025 Views
Ummm... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2012 08:42:19 PM 981 Views
Re: Ummm... Sidious - 06/10/2012 07:53:10 AM 1090 Views
I don't think RJ changed his mind darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 03:13:44 PM 926 Views
Re: I don't think RJ changed his mind DomA - 07/10/2012 07:28:38 PM 1136 Views
I wasn't being very clear darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 09:45:15 PM 1061 Views
I think he did Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:32:35 PM 1059 Views
Maybe darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 07:48:24 PM 975 Views
still don't think that's proof. It's just practical. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 07:06:15 PM 936 Views
Interesting point you bring up about fighting for control darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 03:44:26 AM 929 Views
She wouldn't have to guess! Onarishma - 09/10/2012 08:43:54 PM 963 Views
Really? Where is that quote? All we've heard is a woman needs to be strong enough darius_sedai - 09/10/2012 11:44:15 PM 964 Views
There is only one book left. It is definitely not LIKELY Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:06:04 PM 999 Views
I can agree with most of that ... I simply believe that the Talent dictates the amount of strength darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 03:53:21 AM 925 Views
Exactly... fionwe1987 - 10/10/2012 12:35:16 AM 843 Views
Re: Exactly... Sidious - 10/10/2012 10:29:13 AM 902 Views
Re: Exactly... fionwe1987 - 10/10/2012 10:06:08 PM 1008 Views
AND... darius_sedai - 10/10/2012 10:15:14 PM 873 Views
Re: AND... Sidious - 11/10/2012 04:46:31 PM 1024 Views
Again THANK YOU! Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:35:10 PM 849 Views
Re: AND... darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:09:25 AM 969 Views
Re: AND... Sidious - 12/10/2012 08:57:46 AM 1006 Views
I only discount direct statements when we are explicitly shown that they are incorrect darius_sedai - 13/10/2012 06:55:38 PM 952 Views
Because let's be honest, it's rarely a Talent and you both know it Sidious - 11/10/2012 04:44:27 PM 1015 Views
TY!!! Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:38:44 PM 1038 Views
You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:13:06 AM 1197 Views
Re: You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise Sidious - 12/10/2012 08:52:02 AM 990 Views
Are you reading mine? darius_sedai - 13/10/2012 07:09:02 PM 918 Views
Apoplexy, that is what is happening on my side of the screen Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:31:30 PM 763 Views
the fact that Egwene is proven incorrect on this any number of times? darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:14:35 AM 1027 Views
THANK YOU!!! Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:26:49 PM 960 Views
Re: Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct Onarishma - 04/10/2012 09:51:08 PM 963 Views
to the point on the Circle darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 09:36:18 PM 1010 Views
Circles don't add the Talents... fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 03:34:47 AM 965 Views
I had forgotten about Brendas! darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 05:15:52 AM 966 Views
I've been thinking about this darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 10:11:22 PM 923 Views
Circles give added precision, remember? fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 11:27:05 PM 964 Views
I get that, but the evidence in front of me from the text is inconsistent to the quote darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 12:11:15 AM 834 Views
Circles of larger numbers give added benefit... fionwe1987 - 08/10/2012 02:00:58 AM 1015 Views
Egwene with a sa'angreal might be like 15x her natural strength, so maybe 9-10x Rand darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 02:59:26 AM 910 Views
Highly doubtful... fionwe1987 - 08/10/2012 01:36:47 PM 951 Views
Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 03:31:20 PM 930 Views
Re: Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 941 Views
That is actually the crux of my issue darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 07:52:52 PM 920 Views
That's why its called exponential. It is NOT linear and that why the gains look ridiculous Onarishma - 11/10/2012 10:00:15 PM 966 Views
Yet that only explains when a circle does certain things darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:18:36 AM 963 Views
the text is not inconsistent. Onarishma - 19/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1419 Views
I see, it only counts when it supports your point! Why didn't I think of that! darius_sedai - 20/10/2012 03:58:27 AM 1063 Views
RJ specifically said that was ONLY because of Forsaken skill level Onarishma - 11/10/2012 09:02:03 PM 951 Views
Not so much darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:28:44 AM 955 Views
I'm still arguing about this but I think the evidence is that AS holding a shield are not linked. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:59:20 PM 1014 Views
I've given this point some thought too ... It's a dicey subject darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:22:23 AM 883 Views
THAT is proof of the power of LINKING. This is why thirteen Morgases could smash Rand. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:41:45 PM 845 Views
It's one example that supports the exponential increase ... not arguing that darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:40:08 AM 957 Views
Re: to the point on the Circle Onarishma - 07/10/2012 06:09:48 PM 936 Views
Healing is a thing of the physical body darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 09:50:37 PM 981 Views
Suian was stilled for hiding these boys. obviously trust was the issue. not healing skill. *NM* Onarishma - 11/10/2012 10:11:50 PM 441 Views
Didn't I just say that? darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:31:22 AM 925 Views
That's what makes a Talent a Talent.... Onarishma - 04/10/2012 05:02:36 PM 959 Views
There is so much evidence against this darius_sedai - 04/10/2012 08:04:45 PM 1050 Views
Androl does not match Rands Gateway size. Onarishma - 05/10/2012 05:59:34 PM 1041 Views
Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. fionwe1987 - 05/10/2012 08:51:58 PM 918 Views
+500 ... Well said sir! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 04:52:38 AM 735 Views
He's referring to skimming Sidious - 06/10/2012 07:08:14 AM 1100 Views
I think we aren't far off in interpretation darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 02:48:46 PM 954 Views
Re: I think we aren't far off in interpretation Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:41:12 PM 945 Views
We are close enough on this point darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 08:02:48 PM 1053 Views
Re: Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. Onarishma - 07/10/2012 06:37:32 PM 989 Views
Please explain Androl then darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 09:48:54 PM 1009 Views
OMG. Androl DOES have a Talent. NO ONE is disputing that. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 10:50:41 PM 958 Views
You have waffled back and forth on Traveling being a Talent darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 03:01:03 AM 974 Views
there is no waffle here. plenty of syrup though.... Onarishma - 18/10/2012 06:53:34 PM 1021 Views
No it's not darius_sedai - 19/10/2012 04:25:25 AM 850 Views
fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 11:35:00 PM 831 Views
i will gladly find you the quote where it it is the right size and ONLY takes more power. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 11:18:15 PM 975 Views
I don't think so... Spirit is used in many weaves (like Healing) as part of the weave darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:38:29 AM 965 Views
I was incorrect about the size. but ultimately not incorrect about her evaluation quote within Onarishma - 18/10/2012 03:28:30 PM 1135 Views
How many different times does the text have to say Traveling is a Talent? darius_sedai - 05/10/2012 11:54:19 PM 930 Views
How do you know there's a difference? Sidious - 06/10/2012 06:53:33 AM 996 Views
darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 03:15:25 PM 979 Views
the text calls a lot of things Talents when they're just lost weaves...Traveling is one of them. *NM* Onarishma - 07/10/2012 07:03:35 PM 651 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 09:57:56 PM 943 Views
I agree with this PoV Sidious - 06/10/2012 07:19:52 AM 1084 Views
Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 03:36:24 PM 915 Views
I think you use the word Talent too liberally Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:45:39 PM 1043 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 08:08:04 PM 973 Views
I sort of agree with Sidious there DomA - 09/10/2012 03:03:54 PM 946 Views
Flinn has difficulty with the weave. Unlike Aviendha he doesn't has a second weave problem darius_sedai - 09/10/2012 06:17:34 PM 916 Views
Re: Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... Onarishma - 09/10/2012 02:37:10 PM 1107 Views
That has no relevance here darius_sedai - 09/10/2012 06:29:34 PM 875 Views
Beonin's Gateway v. Egwene's v. Rand's v. Aviendha and Elayne Edit: made a math mistake darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 08:34:56 PM 1360 Views
This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 03:49:05 AM 950 Views
This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 04:09:33 AM 920 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. DomA - 07/10/2012 07:46:51 PM 1064 Views
Cadsuane possessing a strong Talent for Traveling would not be surprising to me darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 10:15:17 PM 987 Views
I noticed that... fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 11:38:18 PM 1026 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:47:57 PM 921 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. DomA - 09/10/2012 05:08:34 PM 1157 Views
On Healing and Yellows... fionwe1987 - 09/10/2012 05:24:11 PM 981 Views
Re: On Healing and Yellows... DomA - 09/10/2012 06:07:20 PM 1094 Views
True darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 10:01:42 PM 967 Views
Life skills and OP skills... fionwe1987 - 02/10/2012 06:40:00 AM 862 Views
Or the reverse could be true darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 08:43:37 AM 1001 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true Sidious - 02/10/2012 09:12:28 AM 1093 Views
And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 04:55:30 PM 1025 Views
Re: And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time DomA - 03/10/2012 12:55:01 AM 1090 Views
The point is the same regardless darius_sedai - 03/10/2012 05:14:36 AM 1022 Views
Here's an answer to your original question Sidious - 06/10/2012 07:21:27 AM 1054 Views
*takes a bow* ... thanks for finding that quote! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 08:41:49 PM 543 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true DomA - 02/10/2012 01:02:03 PM 1126 Views
You misunderstand the nature of the Yellow darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 05:06:20 PM 1046 Views
I know DomA - 02/10/2012 07:27:14 PM 1037 Views
Our stance seems to be Nature v. nurture in nature darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 11:21:50 PM 1010 Views
weaves are not magical entities that exist in channelers. They are tools that are invented. Onarishma - 05/10/2012 06:17:31 PM 1008 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... fionwe1987 - 02/10/2012 06:38:11 AM 971 Views
Trollocs have dreams Onarishma - 05/10/2012 06:39:49 PM 1035 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... DomA - 06/10/2012 02:05:30 PM 1016 Views
Was Avendoraldera a separate construct, and what to make of the Green Man cosmology? LoialT - 06/10/2012 06:54:27 PM 1016 Views
Re: Was Avendoraldera a separate construct, and what to make of the Green Man cosmology? DomA - 06/10/2012 10:04:41 PM 1200 Views
XKCD is on the case! Tor - 03/10/2012 06:05:54 AM 954 Views
Re: Problems with gateways Onarishma - 04/10/2012 03:10:48 PM 838 Views
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