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Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM
She required loyalty oaths. And Rand got them as well.

The sisters were still sisters.

But then she freaks when Elaida wants them.

A bit different with the oath rod, but once you sworn to tell the truth and are incapable of lying or breaking your word, there really isn't much difference.

And the sisters involved didn't really have a choice (Rand's or Egwene's).

And Egwene (once upon a time) was for having AS not take any oaths at all.

She's got to come around on this one. It's one of her biggest failings.
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I should disagree StinkerSkunk - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1594 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes Rurouni_Kenshin - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1496 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM 1557 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM* NaClH2O - 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM 982 Views
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Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years. StinkerSkunk - 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM 1376 Views
Re: Chapter summary RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1641 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1649 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1668 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1584 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? AliasRY - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1520 Views
Can Fain do that? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1503 Views
No he can't (couldn't) DomA - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1723 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! Shannow - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1626 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1510 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1489 Views
Ambitious people are like that redhand - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1568 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1512 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself FredWeasley - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1495 Views
This made my morning happy. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1597 Views
I think it's different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1635 Views
True. Darth_Katie - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1652 Views
Re: True. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1513 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 1013 Views
Re: I think it's different. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1502 Views
There's still a difference... fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1399 Views
Re: There's still a difference... BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1433 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1449 Views
Re: But... Amyrlin Seat - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1457 Views
She could have not bungled up... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1251 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1492 Views
he's saying that. Deadsy - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1350 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1402 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1487 Views
Ever had rancid oil? Kiera - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2206 Views
Is Alviarin finished? Sidious - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1602 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind RandAllThor - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1523 Views
Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1693 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1261 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1578 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1491 Views
No they don't Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1392 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* AgentOrange - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 936 Views
Her part will probably be... Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1560 Views
I think her mission has changed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1330 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? Gerbeaud - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1454 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! Etzel - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1549 Views
Painful to listen to Bulgakov - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1595 Views
Not finished it yet MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1681 Views
WHITE! sue - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1527 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1560 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar Etzel - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1658 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? MikeyMikeyMikey - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1327 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1409 Views
She doesn't.. Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1383 Views
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If this is true, it could be a ploy BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1480 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1305 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1500 Views
I disagree Marshall - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1598 Views
nice idea *NM* Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 870 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1488 Views
I think... Etzel - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1680 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1267 Views
Re: I think... Sidious - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1638 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1349 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1504 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1266 Views
Re: I think... Ryan - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1419 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1458 Views
I was totally caught off guard! entyti - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1480 Views
I all excited! sue - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1410 Views
Yay Deadsy - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1672 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1116 Views
is she wrong? Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1559 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1693 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1504 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too Isaac - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1430 Views
Re: is she wrong? BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1566 Views
Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1360 Views
You're totally wrong Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1508 Views
Re: You're totally wrong Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1471 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1723 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1642 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1569 Views
I disagree in some ways Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1318 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1482 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO ajfurst - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1425 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 856 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1608 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1525 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen randfandom - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1476 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1530 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* Lanfear - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 949 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... Crackbrained Asha'man - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1408 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1329 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1450 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1459 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1553 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven NaClH2O - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1553 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. StinkerSkunk - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1489 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? BlackAdder - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1249 Views
no.. urizen - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1356 Views
The title of book 13... Etzel - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1347 Views
Swing and a miss. The Dude - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1547 Views
As said Etzel - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1344 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? Isaac - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1383 Views
Yes, those Towers... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1445 Views
Seems unlikely to me. RandAllThor - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1482 Views
Yeah, that's possible. Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1442 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... Rand al'Thor - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1299 Views
I think it's an exaggeration Deadsy - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1437 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... randfandom - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1478 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1338 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 948 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1230 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1387 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A ajfurst - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1433 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? Lanfear - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1418 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers ajfurst - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1354 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. fionwe1987 - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1299 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? Lanfear - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1358 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1446 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more Deadsy - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1704 Views
I experienced just the opposite Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1522 Views
Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1379 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 911 Views
Really? CupofDice - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1393 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1383 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 894 Views
In regards to Alviarin. Heiko - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1497 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? Sidious - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1428 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn. Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM 1464 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1581 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... BlackAdder - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1553 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would Ryan - 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM 1369 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1394 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 943 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* The Angry Druid - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 979 Views
What about Mesaana? Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1303 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM 1521 Views
Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1436 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1432 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1452 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1446 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Lanfear - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1570 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more Gerbeaud - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1470 Views
That's not his argument though Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1284 Views
Ah okay. Sidious - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1388 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1527 Views
I think... Etzel - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1522 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* Sidious - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1172 Views
That is really good idea Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1606 Views
Though... Etzel - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1473 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene Seriana Sedai - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1287 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath aldapelan - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1433 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: The Angry Druid - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1410 Views
Egwene and Mesaana Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1467 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... Shannow - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1492 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1319 Views
Agreed Sidious - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1395 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1491 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 920 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1405 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1348 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1389 Views
A lie by Elaida? Etzel - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1606 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? StinkerSkunk - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1409 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? Amyrlin Seat - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1351 Views
I don't think it covers things like that Isaac - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1385 Views
She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 905 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1290 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1401 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. Fanatic-Templar - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1246 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. Narg - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1473 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Watcher - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1222 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1384 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it ajfurst - 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM 1464 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ Lord o' Salv - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1409 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1464 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1459 Views
Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1277 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1417 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1400 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1453 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1364 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1386 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1707 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 854 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1452 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1201 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1400 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1304 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1273 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 886 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1525 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1434 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1555 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1424 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1015 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1485 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1505 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 922 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1301 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1275 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1514 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1415 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1384 Views
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