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Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM
I still find far more likely she's referring to information she got from her own BA. Moghedien in book 4 showed a disctinct lack of knowledge and interest in what didn't concern her little domain in the south. She didn't even know Rand's name.

Beside, as we know Moghedien is still running those BA. She had no need to go to the Tower to get Alviarin to tell her what one of her own pet BA could tell her. Notice she doesn't even wonder if Hessalam could be Sharina. She simply has no idea Sharina exists. She must have thought an instant Hessalam was BA - perhaps even that she was their leader or something.

Fair enough.
I don't think the new scene tells us much about strength, but I get the feeling Moghedien was probably always underestimated because of her personality.

What the Prologue did is confirm that for us.
I don't think she's much weaker than the others, probably just by something like the difference between book 4 Nynaeve and Nynaeve at full potential. I think Nynaeve at full potential is probably in the range of the levels on which Graendal, Semiraghe, Mesaana stand. She could be on a level lower for instance, or at the lower threshold of the same level, or their equal more or less. I get the feeling all those women are distributed on few levels, a few below Lanfear.

Yup. Nynaeve is as strong as Semirhage, it seems (from Brandon), and maybe a little stronger. Mesaana is weaker than Semi and Graendal may be slightly weaker or slightly stronger. All said, these women are all very close to Lanfear's strength, much as Aginor, Demandred and Sammael were close to LTT's strength.

It could be significant, but in that range it's far more the combination of knowledge, training, experience, Talents and skills that would set these women apart than raw strength, and in combat it's only if they find themselves in a head-to-head confrontation strength could be a determining factor. I think only Lanfear/Cyndane has a clear raw strength advantage over the other women - which is useful only in some situtations, and even then they're all strong enough they'd probably dare attack her if they had a plan they believe would neutralize her strength advantage.. Graendal did... with a small angreal and her most potent weave she took Moghedien and Cyndane face on, both at once.

I think the difference between Lanfear and the next strongest female Foresaken is no different than that between Demandred and Ishamael. Which is to say, a definite difference, but not significant enough to give any guarantee in a battle. And this translates across gender lines.
Moghedien simply overcame most of her complex of inferiority since the Cleansing. The fact she was in disgrace and humilitated still made her feel inferior to the others, but now that Graendal's joined the club Moghedien realized Graendal no longer intimidates her at all and she dared laughed at her openly. What the scene tells us about their respective strengths is more or less only that Moghedien's not weaker nearly enough to stop her from provoking Graendal. It was more a matter of complex of inferiority and lack of self-confidence that made her stood aside to an extent, made her avoid being openly challenging because she feared confronting them openly. Not anymore, not for Graendal anyway. She already seemed not to fear Cyndane much.

Yup.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3082 Views
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Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 984 Views
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Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1656 Views
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Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 929 Views
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Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 860 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1168 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 914 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 809 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 807 Views
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 859 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 825 Views
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Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 883 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 837 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 827 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 902 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 868 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 963 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 778 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 839 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 979 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 713 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 857 Views
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One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 925 Views
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