Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation.
Shannow Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM
With Moiraine at a speculative 30 strength, two thirds of her strength is about 20.
If you're correct in your hypothesis, Lanfear lost less than 20 strength to the Finns.
This is fine, because I have always had Cyndane at only 1 level (5%)lower than Lanfear. In other words, Lanfear at 95, Cyndane at 90, Graendal at 85, Nynaeve at 80.
That puts Graendal at slightly stronger than Nynaeve (5%) but closer to Nynaeve than to Lanfear.
Given the stature of the Forsaken and the amount of strength drained from Moiraine, it doesn't really make sense that they would only have drained 1 or 2% from Lanfear. A decrease of at least 5% is a minimum in my view.
That's still only a quarter of what was drained from Moiraine.
If you're correct in your hypothesis, Lanfear lost less than 20 strength to the Finns.
This is fine, because I have always had Cyndane at only 1 level (5%)lower than Lanfear. In other words, Lanfear at 95, Cyndane at 90, Graendal at 85, Nynaeve at 80.
That puts Graendal at slightly stronger than Nynaeve (5%) but closer to Nynaeve than to Lanfear.
Given the stature of the Forsaken and the amount of strength drained from Moiraine, it doesn't really make sense that they would only have drained 1 or 2% from Lanfear. A decrease of at least 5% is a minimum in my view.
That's still only a quarter of what was drained from Moiraine.
AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers*
- 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM
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You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before.
- 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM
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Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right...
- 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM
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We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power.
- 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM
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It was spelled out before.
- 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM
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And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM*
- 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM
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Nor a lot of support for the idea...
- 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM
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Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events
- 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM
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I know...
- 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM
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I'm not so sure
- 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM
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Why question it?
- 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM
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Re: Why question it?
- 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM
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No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM
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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken
- 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
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Talmanes
- 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM
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I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series.
- 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM
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Re: Talmanes
- 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM
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I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes!
- 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM
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Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised
- 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM
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Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
- 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM
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Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
- 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM
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I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
- 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM
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Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
- 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM
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I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM
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I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
- 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM
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Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
- 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM
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EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron)
- 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM
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So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table?
- 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM
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Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game?
- 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM
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Interesting...
- 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM
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Re: Interesting...
- 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM
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I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely
- 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM
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If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the
- 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM
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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL...
- 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM
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As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers
- 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM
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All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally..
- 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM
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It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach
- 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM
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The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size...
- 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM
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That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case
- 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM
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Direct quote from Demandred refutes this...
- 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM
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Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways
- 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM
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"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World?
- 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM
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The changes in Moghedien
- 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM
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I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something?
- 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM
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Well..
- 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM
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Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me...
- 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM
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Hmmm....
- 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM
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Hehe, that old argument again.
- 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM
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Yes. 
- 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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- 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM
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Well...
- 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM
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Re: Well...
- 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM
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Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation.
- 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM
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Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems
- 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM
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As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series
- 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM
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Actually......
- 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM
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Not sure that's completely true..
- 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM
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Probably something like this
- 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM
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Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
- 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
- 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM
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Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve
- 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM
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One thing about that...
- 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM
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Possible, but I find it unlikely
- 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM
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The reason I think that...
- 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM
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I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in
- 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM
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I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
- 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM
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Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
- 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM
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