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Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... Shannow Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM
I just don't think he could realistically build an army of Channelers in secrecy or in the given amount of time. I think we will see him unleash mixed circle weaves on unsuspecting foes etc... Odds are most of these will be BA women and Dark Asha'man rather than hundreds of individuals Demandred personally trained.

Will he have a handful of his own people ... Almost certainly, how many of these will there be? Who knows!


These 10 could then each have trained 20 more, and he'd have his 200 Dreadlords.

Given that his moves have been unknown since the start of the series, and given that the Ashaman number around 500 or more and only started recruiting halfway through LoC, I see no reason why Demandred couldn't have set up something similar.

Especially if he recruited intensively from Shara, the Isle of Madmen, and Seanchan in addition to Randland.


There are around a total of 500 men at the Tower. Only a fraction of those are Full Asha'man ... I think someone says only a few dozen (with Taim promoting rapidly in the last few months to avoid the AS bond). And who would train and recruit the women, he'd want many women to form circles as we know how much more potent mixed circles are. Finding the numbers isn't the hard part. Training and keeping it secret from everyone is the hard part. Graendal, Moghedien and Aran'gar (the 3 masters of espionage)all comment that they couldn't find out what he was up to. Had he been doing something as overt as mass recruiting of Channelers they would have gotten wind of it.


And there is no such thing as a "Disturbance in the Force" that a Yoda like Forsaken could sense from the other side of the planet to tell them that Demandred is massing a few hundred channelers on some distant little tropical island in the Aryth Ocean.

And there are hundreds of millions of people on the planet.

Demandred's loyal dreadlords stealing one Sharan a day (out of a population of tens of millions), and one man from the Isle of Madmen a day (out of a jungly, plague-infested wilderness), and one Seanchan commoner a day( from an Asia sized continent), and whisking them away to this island to be forcibly turned to the Shadow by 13 Black Ajah and 13 Myrdraal is not going to be raising alarm bells anywhere.



Also, it is too far away from the action for a man like Demandred. What you describe is smart (assuming Demandred even knows the first thing about the altered world geography), but not in any way realistic to one of the Forsaken. They need to be seen and seen to wield power, even Moghedien needed to boast of her actions at every opportunity, It is how they measure their own success. Demandred couldn't stop talking about how amazing his achievements will be at every meeting. That and consistently threatening the others so they wouldn't think him weak. And why would he be wearing the latest fashions of the Age if he's hanging out teaching on an island?

If any of the Forsaken were willing to do this the battle would have been over before it started. Think of how Verin described them. Selfish. Not to mention the egos involved. Demandred sitting on a dessert island somewhere training a bunch of "children" to Channel for the good of the Shadow is laughable. Not while the other Forsaken were moving about and carving off fiefdoms. Not without direct orders from the DO or SH.

As a portion of his plan I can see him gathering a small core group and teaching them to a small degree, enough to enhance his armies, but as with all the FS he will be jealous of his knowledge. The thought of him training hundreds of master OP warriors seems both redundant and out of character. More likely he will recruit from the BA and Dark Asah'man, DF Sul'dam etc... to fight in his armies.

I can't see RJ having a new Channeler system start without giving us a few tidbits either, he loved to give us snippets of this type of stuff. And why would Bsand keep telling us the Demandred story will be epic if all we end up getting is another group of Channelers? I'd like to think Demandred is doing something new, not just being an imitation Taim. In the new prologue Moridin heaps praise on Taim for training new Dreadlords and says it was something none of the others had done.


After Sammael's death Demandred says exactly what you are saying.
He says Sammael's death was the price of " The need to be seen wielding power as well as wielding it"

He says it disdainfully, indicating his derision for Sammael's quest of the limelight, while he himself moved more subtly, behind the scenes, without anyone's knowledge.

This links to Sammael's comments about Demandred liking to use proxies instead of taking the limelight himself.

Demandred's modus operandi is in fact exactly what you think he is incapable of doing. Working behind the scenes to prepare for his big move.

And this would most certainly not be his entire plan, sitting on some island training dreadlords. He will train a dozen or so, and add them to 13 Black Ajah and 13 Myrdraal, and then leave them to do most of the training while he sets up more proxies across Randland, for his grand strategy.
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