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The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... Shannow Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM
I just don't think he could realistically build an army of Channelers in secrecy or in the given amount of time. I think we will see him unleash mixed circle weaves on unsuspecting foes etc... Odds are most of these will be BA women and Dark Asha'man rather than hundreds of individuals Demandred personally trained.

Will he have a handful of his own people ... Almost certainly, how many of these will there be? Who knows!


These 10 could then each have trained 20 more, and he'd have his 200 Dreadlords.

Given that his moves have been unknown since the start of the series, and given that the Ashaman number around 500 or more and only started recruiting halfway through LoC, I see no reason why Demandred couldn't have set up something similar.

Especially if he recruited intensively from Shara, the Isle of Madmen, and Seanchan in addition to Randland.


There are around a total of 500 men at the Tower. Only a fraction of those are Full Asha'man ... I think someone says only a few dozen (with Taim promoting rapidly in the last few months to avoid the AS bond). And who would train and recruit the women, he'd want many women to form circles as we know how much more potent mixed circles are. Finding the numbers isn't the hard part. Training and keeping it secret from everyone is the hard part. Graendal, Moghedien and Aran'gar (the 3 masters of espionage)all comment that they couldn't find out what he was up to. Had he been doing something as overt as mass recruiting of Channelers they would have gotten wind of it.


The world is a big place. And there is no such thing as a "Disturbance in the Force" that a Yoda like Forsaken could sense from the other side of the planet to tell them that Demandred is massing a few hundred channelers on some distant little tropical island in the Aryth Ocean.

And there are hundreds of millions of people on the planet.

Demandred's loyal dreadlords stealing one Sharan a day (out of a population of tens of millions), and one man from the Isle of Madmen a day (out of a jungly, plague-infested wilderness), and one Seanchan commoner a day( from an Asia sized continent), and whisking them away to this island to be forcibly turned to the Shadow by 13 Black Ajah and 13 Myrdraal is not going to be raising alarm bells anywhere.

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You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. Narg - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1330 Views
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Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 992 Views
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Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? DomA - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1162 Views
Interesting... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 984 Views
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I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM 942 Views
Just one comment.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1656 Views
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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1080 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1218 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 884 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 852 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 962 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 952 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 928 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 955 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 959 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1016 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1045 Views
I can certainly something like this happening darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 849 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... DomA - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 988 Views
I think ... Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 970 Views
The changes in Moghedien darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 841 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 992 Views
Well.. fionwe1987 - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 860 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1168 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 914 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. Shannow - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 809 Views
Yes. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 807 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 897 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 859 Views
Well... Shannow - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 824 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 955 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. Shannow - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 883 Views
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Re: Well... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 837 Views
Re: Well... Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 827 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 902 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 868 Views
As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM 893 Views
Actually...... DomA - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 963 Views
Agree with this.. Shannow - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 778 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 839 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. DomA - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 979 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 713 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 856 Views
Probably something like this Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 860 Views
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 778 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1023 Views
One thing about that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 925 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 820 Views
The reason I think that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 860 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 932 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1002 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 900 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 971 Views
That is the question I was getting at darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 927 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 951 Views
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