Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game?
DomA Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM
So, given the new information, is the notion that Demandred has been training up armies of Sharan channelers, or recruiting male channelers from the Isle of Madmen back as a real possibility?
Whatever he's done, it's going to be very significant, apparently.
Way more significant than just being Roedran in disguise.
Whatever he's done, it's going to be very significant, apparently.
Way more significant than just being Roedran in disguise.
One thing to keep in mind about the Isle of Madmen is that for the time being it is still only an inside joke about Australia appearing solely on one world map in the BWB - a world map that as far as we can tell do not exist either in Seanchan or in the Westlands. It's never been mentionned in the main series, we have no idea if anyone in Seanchan or the Westlands knows about it. Perhaps it's so untouched by the Breaking that Demandred know of this continent from the AOL, but we can't be sure, nor of the kind of society that may be there. It's not impossible he recruited there, but I think Seanchan, the Westlands, Shara and among the Seafolk men are even more likely.
Seanchan was an immensely controlled Empire, where it was difficult to recruit all the DF sul'dam and damane (not necessarily DF) without the Empress learning of it, or to test men for the ability. Semirhage's actions changed that as the Empire fell in chaos. Sul'dam can now disappear with a ton of damane and so on. Damane can be turned than freed, sul'dam can be kidnapped and turned and they would all make excellent recruits for further training, with already a good basis in warfare.
My feeling is that Demandred didn't recruit from only one place but many. It seems pretty clear now the Red Veils have nothing to do with him, they go too far back and have to be another of Ishamael's creation.
As for Roedran, it makes so little sense. Roedran could be useful if induced to invade Andor and ravage its south now that Caemlyn is a goner, for instance. That would hold the Andoran armies to take care of that.
Of course, Murandians aren't DF, and whatever they do, if anything, can't be openly for the Shadow...
He could also be useful if instead he joins the other rulers but I can no more imagine Demandred invading Andor as Roedran than I can imagine him infiltrating the rulers as Roedran - Demandred's got a war to lead, he can't be infiltrated. If Demandred has anything to do with Roedran, it will be an agent of his near the King, at best.
I get the feeling Roedran is a complete red herring. It's a joke. That sad and contentious excuse for a country can't even get its act together enough to participate in TG - it's the last nation not connected to either the Rand-Egwene alliance or the Seanchan's! I'm pretty sure Roedran will throw his forces at southern Andor to recuperate what he lost and more, and that will have fairly little to do with the Shadow (he's got a rebel embassy with him, some of whom might be BA, but most of all it seems quite clear they're the ones who drove him to unite his country, hire the Band that the Hall wanted out of the way because Egwene was using it as her excuse to keep moving north and so on). I think those women thought they finally managed to make something out of Murandy, but now the King, who's no wiser than ever, will escape their control and attack Andor...
This message last edited by DomA on 23/09/2012 at 08:54:36 PM
AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers*
19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM
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You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before.
19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM
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Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right...
20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM
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We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power.
20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM
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It was spelled out before.
20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM
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And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM*
20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM
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Nor a lot of support for the idea...
22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM
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Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events
23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM
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I know...
23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM
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I'm not so sure
24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM
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Why question it?
25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM
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Re: Why question it?
25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM
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No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM
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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken
20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
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Talmanes
23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM
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I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series.
25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM
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Re: Talmanes
02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM
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I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes!
02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM
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Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised
22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM
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Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM
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Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM
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I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM
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Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM
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I have to wonder at Hessalam
23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM
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I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM
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Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM
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EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron)
23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM
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So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table?
23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM
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Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game?
23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM
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Interesting...
23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM
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Re: Interesting...
23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM
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I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely
23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM
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If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the
23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM
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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL...
23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM
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As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers
23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM
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All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally..
23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM
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It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach
23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM
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The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size...
23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM
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That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case
23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM
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Direct quote from Demandred refutes this...
23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM
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Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways
23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM
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"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World?
23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM
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The changes in Moghedien
25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM
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I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something?
25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM
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Well..
25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM
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Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me...
25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM
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Hmmm....
26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM
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Hehe, that old argument again.
26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM
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Yes.
26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM
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Well...
26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM
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Re: Well...
26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM
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Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems
26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM
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As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series
26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM
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Actually......
26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM
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Not sure that's completely true..
26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM
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Probably something like this
26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM
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Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM
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Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve
26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM
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One thing about that...
27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM
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Possible, but I find it unlikely
27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM
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The reason I think that...
27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM
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I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in
27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM
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I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM
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Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM
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