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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken Tom Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
It really doesn't matter what Demandred has been up to at this point - raising armies in Shara, controlling Seanchan, pretending to be the King of Murandy - his character has been wasted. He was a gun on the wall that never fired, or if he does, it will be underwhelming in the extreme. Taim is a great example of what Demandred COULD have been - a character developed as an enemy who got very close.

As a final personal note, I find the style pretty bad. You will be stunned at the constant repetition of facts throughout these chapters. Yes, we hear again that Demandred has a hooked nose and is handsome. We hear again about the mystery of Cyndane, how crazy Ishamael was and how Demandred hates Lews Therin. It will leave you pretty nauseous if you think about how little we need to be reminded of these facts again and again. I didn't enjoy the style and found it almost amateur, if that isn't too offensive to say. It didn't remind me of any of the previous Forsaken chapters written by Jordan. Some of the metaphors are very weak and the Forsaken personalities are poorly captured.


The style has been consistently bad throughout the series. If you're reading Robert Jordan for anything other than a fun story, you're reading it for the wrong reasons. I'm not sure if your comment was meant as a slight against Sanderson, but RJ's style was abysmal on a predictable basis (i.e., all the time). How many times did he have to repeat "stout Two Rivers woolens" or remind us that Nynaeve pulls her braid? How many unnecessary horse names, dress details or other "filler" did he throw in? How many clichés did he give us in place of real people?

I read the Prologue because I won't have to read it now when the book comes out, and I want to be done with the whole damn series. My expectations are extremely low at this point, but the Talmanes portions made me think there might be a bit of entertainment left in what has been drawn out for far, far too long.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3122 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1380 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1331 Views
I thought of Logain as well... - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1205 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1277 Views
It was spelled out before. - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1144 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 668 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1125 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1070 Views
I know... - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1118 Views
I'm not so sure - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1100 Views
Why question it? - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 993 Views
Re: Why question it? - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 954 Views
Six Chosen... - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1302 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1270 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1172 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 667 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1068 Views
Talmanes - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1474 Views
Re: Talmanes - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 928 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1326 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1049 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1073 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1006 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1250 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1247 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1080 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1271 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1325 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1496 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 978 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1028 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1082 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1202 Views
Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1023 Views
Re: Interesting... - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1229 Views
Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1704 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1025 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1117 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1270 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 929 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 895 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1002 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 994 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 977 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1005 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1013 Views
Not really - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1057 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1095 Views
I can certainly something like this happening - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 901 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1034 Views
I think ... - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1015 Views
The changes in Moghedien - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 894 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1038 Views
Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 900 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1215 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 955 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 850 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 843 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 946 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 899 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 864 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 995 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 923 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 883 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 860 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 941 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 907 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1003 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 820 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 880 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1019 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 747 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 902 Views
Probably something like this - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 911 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 879 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 831 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1074 Views
One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 962 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 854 Views
The reason I think that... - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 901 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 982 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1044 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 949 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1010 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 972 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 992 Views

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